Granny Smith

[gralorn]

I have just discovered that my Great Grandmother JULIA SMITH was born in Limerick in 1861, although at her burial in 1925 it says she was aged 67, which would put her birth date to 1858. She then went to Birkenhead where she married a John Hynes also from Ireland in December 1885 when she was aged either 24 or 27. What I would reall y like to know is who her parents were, where did they live and what was there employment. Perhaps someone may have a copy of the 1861 census with some information upon it.
Assistance would be most appreciated.

[rosie17]

Did it not give her parent's name on her marriage certificate

[gralorn]

Have not got a copy of that I'm afraid. Have just been informed that the census was destroyed by the English! So need as you have mentioned her marriage  certificate to find out her father and fathers occupation.
Thanks for your information and reply though. Appreciated.

[aghadowey]

The purpose of the census was to record population statistics, so once those details were extracted there was no real reason to keep the actual returns so some (such as 1861) were actually pulped by the British (not English) government during World War I to be recycled into paper. Later other census records were destroyed in Dublin as a result of the civil war (not by the government).

English civil marriage certificate, like Irish ones, list fathers' names and occupations but no details of the mothers. Sometimes the church record of the marriage do list names of both sets of parents.

Once you have more details on the father/parents of Julia you will need to know where they lived to see if church records exist for such an early date (not all survive and of those that do not all are going to be found online).

[heywood]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBJQ-512. I think she is there - born Birkenhead. 

Free BMD has her birth in 1861 - Wirral

You also say that John Hynes was born in Ireland but census shows him as born Kirkdale, Liverpool.

Regards
Heywood

[gralorn]

You had me going there, but I do not believe that is her. On the burial register it certainly states that she was 67 and buried 14 Sept 1925. Also her marriage to John Hynes was in Birkenhead in December 1885.

Thanks though, and any Birkenhead info would be much appreciated.

[heywood]

You'll need the marriage certificate to check her father.

Where do you have her born in Limerick? I must be looking at the wrong John and Julia.

[heywood]

You had me going there, but I do not believe that is her. On the burial register it certainly states that she was 67 and buried 14 Sept 1925. Also her marriage to John Hynes was in Birkenhead in December 1885.

Thanks though, and any Birkenhead info would be much appreciated.

Yes I see that marriage. Did she remarry? Do you have her death from Free BMD?
Did they move away from Birkenhead?
The one I have followed remarried on the death of John Hynes and also died later than your date so something is wrong.

What information do you have - children and places preferably.

[gralorn]

Yes John Hynes dies in Farnborough, Hants in 1902 so in 1903 she marries a Robert Richardson who is a widow with a fourteen year old son called Alfred who was born in Cairo, Egypt. I have the answers to these people it was more Ireland and Birkenhead information that I was after, also how Julia (Nee Smith) and John came to be in Dover, Kent to have their first child a son called John James Hynes in 1886, a year after the wedding in Birkenhead in 1885??