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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 November 14 11:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for the information. 

Looby that does sound like her as my estimated dob was 1852.   |Frances Mary is from the same family, the irish cences states she was born in Scotland..........around 1882.

Forfarian, thanks for the info about 'oakes', and the correct spelling of it.  I wonder why people would change their names, why not just still to the original one?

Can someone confirm if 'Scots people' is easy to navigate, I can never seem to get to grips with the Irish one?

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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 November 14 11:51 GMT (UK) »
thanks for the info about 'oakes', and the correct spelling of it.

No, I didn't say anything about 'correct' spelling. There was no such thing before the late 19th century. You'll find 'darach' with 'o' instead of 'a', and with one 'r' or two, and in oblique cases you may find some other letters creeping in, or the 'a' missing from 'Mac'. All are equally 'correct'.

I found my Irish Gaelic dictionary and 'oak' is given as 'darach'. It is where the name of Derry/Londonderry comes from, and also for instance Craigendarroch on Deeside in Aberdeenshire.

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I wonder why people would change their names, why not just still to the original one?
It was not unusual for people to change a Gaelic surname for an anglicised version - in Scots Gaelic, for exampler, 'gobha' means a smith, and in Irish Gaelic it's 'gabha'. The 'bh' is barely pronounced, and the surname Gow is an anglicised spelling of how 'gobha' or 'gabha' is pronounced. Some went further and changed their name to Smith.

As to why, there can be many reasons. After the Jacobite rising in 1745-6, quite a lot of people changed their names to evade the Goverment troops searching for supporters of the Jacobite cause.

Macdarrach means 'son of the oak' so it's not a huge leap from there to Oakes.

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Can someone confirm if 'Scots people' is easy to navigate, I can never seem to get to grips with the Irish one?
I certainly find it quite straightforward.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 04 November 14 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for responding and for the informative post, it is very much appreciated.

Kind Regards

Sam

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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 01:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Samantha,

I came across your post here while researching my own family tree.  Fannie Oakes (Duffy) was my great great grandmother.  Her daughter Annie gave birth to my Grandmother Rose.

I'm guessing we're distant cousins.  I wonder if it would be possible to get any information from you that you may have discovered since first posting?

Regards

Phil


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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 19:15 BST (UK) »
HI Phil. Just double checking that we are looking into the same person because you used 'Duffy' in your post?

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Sam

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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 19:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Sam,

I think that was an autocorrect typo.  It was "Duff" I typed (just had to correct that)

Phil

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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 20:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Phil

It's great that you are also following up on this family, unfortunately I have not uncovered a lot, but this is down to not spending enough time on the search.

This is the inforamtion I have:


Father was John Duff (Born in Ireland, but not known where) DOB around 1812
Mother was Margaret (Bothwell), born Glasgow,  DOB around 1816

They married in 1838, St Andrews Church, Glasgow

In the 1881 Scotish Cences they lived; High Street, Buckshead Gosed?

He was a labourer (stonebreaker)

In the 1881 Scotish Cences, there is;
John Duff aged 10 years (son)
Fanny Duff aged 8
Margaret Duff 5
Agnes Duff 3


I hope this is some helpf for you?

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Sam


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Re: Frances Oakes, born in Scotland, but where? Where do I start?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 21:07 BST (UK) »
That is absolutely AWESOME.  Thanks so much