Which name for Rachel wife of Robert Rennie - Quebec Canada

[J.J.]

Looking at the census, her age being 50, she had her last child age 47 ? yikes... ?
Rennie, Robert  Farmer Scotland Presbyterian age 59
Rennie, Racheal   b. Canada  age 50
Rennie, Henry age 19
Rennie, Alex age 17   
Rennie, Simon age 12
Rennie, Wm age 9
Rennie, Margaret    age 3

There is a Dumo(?), Emen (?)   Labourer French Roman Catholic age 18 two down from the family
this may be a misheard spelling for a relative.   Have you tried looking for surname as renny, remie, etc. The language/phonetics/interpretation make for difficult searches
 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=68892
She may have taken on  his religion ...as a Roman Catholic she may have used Archange because it was her first "saint's name...Many were named Mary at their baptism.
By the same token you could very well be looking for a Joseph.
Note also the spelling may be Deniau/Daigneau/ Denau /Denault /Daneau/ Deneau Dit Jeremie or the reverse of the two names, or without the dit in between. Jeremy is also a phonetic for the name Jerome...yes, egads,...I know this to be true even today...
 

[J.J.]

In this publication this fellow appears to have been a servant in the Fur Trade https://archive.org/stream/cihm_03459#page/n73/mode/2up
VOYAGEURS UNDER THE BRITISH CROWN
1820 ( signed on I guess?) Deneau dit Jérémie, Constant     Laprairie

Other you can search for with the dit surname
Theophile Woolfred Denaud Dit Jeremie
Hubert Theophile Denaud Dit Jeremie
Hippolyte Denaud Dit Jeremie
Alphonsine Denault Dit Jeremie
Marie Denise Zoe Durand Dit Jeremie
Wilfred Durand Dit Jeremie
Paul Theophile Denaut dit geremie

[suzee]

Hi J.J. Thank you for the information - I noticed the age on the census is different to the one in the burial register which had Rachel's age as 49 in 1856. There are quite a few entries with the dit Jeremie - will follow up on these. Constant Deneau dit Jeremie that you found in the fur trade would have been in the Laprairie area around the time of Rachel and her family.

Regards
Suzee

[J.J.]

There is a baptism Laprairie 1791 for a Constant Deneau

This marriage may be of interest, although I see no birth of an Archange
1791 Laprairie   FRANCOIS DENEAU  .....MARIE ARCHANGE SENECAL
although I see the surname for Francois was also used as "DENEAU DETAILLY" ( Destaillis, etc)

There appear to be no Jeremie in the LaPrairie area...so when did the dit family arrive
There are two DENEAU men with middle name Jeremie...Ettiene ( Marie Josette Broseau) and Pierre (Mary Anne Boyer) all pure conjecture but sometimes looking at obtuse angles can help

Doesn't help much but will post as uses name HIPPOLYTE
http://gw.geneanet.org/monartque?lang=en;pz=pierre;nz=tremblay;ocz=19;p=etienne+hippolyte;n=deneau+dit+destaillis
also DAUNAIS HIPPOLYTE & MESNY MARIE ANNE

[J.J.]

Just to show the confusion the naming may be, here are a couple, the last ones I named above ...the parents of a Constant ( 146) http://donais.freeservers.com/Antoine-1/D4.htm

Hyppolite (Donay) Daunais  (Daunet) . Other names for Hyppolite were Paul Dhonnay, and Joseph-Hypolite (also Hippolite)
Hyppolite married Marie-Anne Miny  Meni,  Menil, Many, and Mesny

[suzee]

Once again thank you J.J. - I did wonder if the Archance could be Archange - you have given me lots to think about and now different ways to approach these names! Do you know if the French had a naming system like the Scots for given names - only asking this as Simon is not a name that has come through the Rennie line from this family in Scotland.
The marriage of Francois Deneau may be the same person that was mentioned to me in this forum on the 1825 census as Francois Deneau dit Jeremie from Laprairie
Regards
Suzanne

[J.J.]

I had information for a Simon but my computer locked up  earlier. As you say, there is a child Simon and she answers as a surname, Simoe, wonder if something got mixed up there?
      
1798 marriage in Laprairie  SIMON  DENEAU DETAILLY and ( Marie-) MARGUERITE  BOURASSA
She had a brother also Hippolytte and a Francois
http://gw.geneanet.org/ra41dr07?lang=en;p=amable;n=deneau;oc=2
His parents may have been Étienne-Jérémie Deneau & Marie-Josèphe Brousseau


More 1825 census LaPrairie although Francois as found earlier the only  Dit Jeremy
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1825/Pages/results.aspx?k=laprairie+AND+cnsSurname%3a%22den*%22
You can also fiind more under Daigneau and Degneau

Am wondering if perhaps the middle name became a family dit nickname. I  used to be good at this search but my eyes tire more easily... But I say this because it is an uncommon name...and is in small numbers confined to the region. Have found nothing you can take to the bank, however   

1831 census Denaut et al  http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1831/Pages/results.aspx?k=laprairie+AND+cnsSurname%3a%22den*%22
Donaut http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1831/Pages/results.aspx?k=laprairie+AND+cnsSurname%3a%22donau*%22

1842 head only with 9 in household  http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1842/lc/jpg/004569583_00455.jpg
To access more on the household change the last number on the jpg in the search line 00456 00457, etc...using the line numbers to find out more...

1861 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108707_00197.jpg

[J.J.]

Archives nationales du Québec, fonds P224, pièce no. 121
Déposition de François Daneau dit Jérémie, de Laprairie, contre L.-A. Moreau (17 novembre 1837).
Description: ARCHIVES - ANQ P224

Francois goes by the dit name  in 1846, a land dispute made the newspaper! There are 2 Francois it seems, by then, Sr. and Junior
"...plaintiff; against FRANCOIS DENAUT DIT JEREMIE, the elder, of the village Laprairie..."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1698&dat=18460416&id=l081AAAAIBAJ&sjid=G8sFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2531,2705750

and 1849  http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=167&dat=18490207&id=QNEtAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LysDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5870,4893503


http://books.google.ca/books?id=KbjGAVICYwIC&pg=PA371 note several pages to see their stories!!!
On 3 June 1820, a few days before the boat was registered, they sold carriers Hypolite Denaut dit Jeremie, and Joseph Finster- waltz, dit Leste, of La Prairie...
Francois owns a hosedrawn ferry, the edmund



correspondence http://www.archiv.umontreal.ca/p0000/pdf-cat-p0000/P0058UD1.pdf

 François Denault dit Jérémie and ______
U/3486 (mf 4644) La prairie, 24 June 1851

François DENAULT dit JÉRÉMIE à Maurice Cuvillier
U/3487 (mf 4644) Longueuil, 20 septembre 1795

St.Antoine's ward Montrea;  1870  https://archive.org/stream/cihm_57234#page/n41/mode/2up/search/jeremie
Zoe Seers, widow of Théophille Donaull dit Jérémie  and: Rose Delima, Denise, Caroline, Alphonsine,  Marcienne 

http://collections.banq.qc.ca:81/jrn03/rapportarchiviste/src/1925/52334_02_0525.txt
N° 1914.—Examen de Olivier Gariêpy, de Laprairie (8 décembre 1838). N° 1915.—Examen de Hippolyte Jérémie, de Laprairie (11 décembre 1838)
 Jérémie, Hyppolite, 230. Jérémie—Voir Daneau dit Jérémie. Jérôme—Voir Longtin dit Jérôme

Perhaps about this as he's in jail?   Jérémie, Hypolite Denaud dit, Propriétaire rural, de Laprairie - 6 Nov 1838   http://pages.infinit.net/nh1837/pricon/lcomplet/frprcolc.htm


Here is a descendant of  Simon...Maybe can shed some light on that family
http://genforum.genealogy.com/deneau/messages/17.html

[J.J.]

beg pardon, I forgot to add that the naming system was more about the French R.C. religion...first name saint, usually Marie or Joseph, but this changed as we've found....second name usually a godparent, but this was not always the case either...  then the given name, but it became confusing when the first or second name was liked better by the parents, a different name was chosen by the child later in life for documents.....or perhaps as in this case all three may have been used at one time or another... We've has a heck of a time finding families and have seen claims made that were
not correct, so we can't be sure unless a lot more information is found to CONFIRM...Did I tell you about the census with most children in household called Joseph?? That wasn't their given name, but people felt they should use the first name on documents...yikes...??

The last name was given a dit ... Although it was often a soldier's nickname, a place of origin of the family, etc...I cannot help feeling this was a lone reason, to stand out or commemorate the ancestor's name...perhaps to differentiate from the increasing number of the surname in the surrounding area??  It may have even been a mistake over time, because they heard the middle name always said along with the surname? Who knows until this is solved.. ...Let me know if you can solve this... It is interesting...