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King William the Lion's Ransom
« on: Monday 19 May 14 18:31 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where I can find details regarding those individuals involved in negotiating King William the Lion's ransom, following the ill-fated 1174 invasion?
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Bob
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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 May 14 19:01 BST (UK) »
don't know if there's anything here


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Lion

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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 May 14 19:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that, but I'm really looking for material from the likes of Fantosme, Leland and Brand etc.
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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 May 14 22:56 BST (UK) »
Try electricscotland Bob.

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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 05:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks Skoosh. Sadly, the more obvious sources don't seem to go into great detail, hence the need for consulting the likes of Leland etc. I'm hoping someone has studied William the Lion in great depth & will have a lot of 'difficult' ref material to hand.
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Bob
PS My Latin is poor in the extreme, so I'm trying to avoid working through endless texts!
 
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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 15:27 BST (UK) »
As far as I know, the most recent study of the king is D.D.R. Owen "William the Lion: 1143-1214: Kingship and Culture", which is available from Amazon for £5.51p.

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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 15:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Harry. I'll try & pick up a copy.
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Bob
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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 19:19 BST (UK) »
When John Balliol and Robert Bruce were trying to impress Edward I of England with their rival claims to the crown of Scotland in 1291(?), one of the no-hopers who turned up to press his own claim was a Patrick Galychtly, who said he was the legitimate son of Henry Galychtly, an illegitimate son of William the Lion. If he was correct, probably many present-day Gallitlys and Gellatlys (and other spelling variants) are descended from him. The surname has always been commonest in the Carse of Gowrie and in Perth and Dundee at either end. I have Gellatly ancestors myself from Moneydie near Perth. Mind you, most of us probably have some blue blood in our veins as those old kings didn't stint themselves with girlfriends.

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Re: King William the Lion's Ransom
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 19:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Harry. In view of that, I'm on bended knee as I type!
As you say, there were a lot of illeg lines around, hence the usefulness of Y-DNA testing. Also, a branch of the Setons adopted the Gordon surname via a marriage, plus other interesting conundrums. I suppose if genealogy was too straightforward, we'd all have completed our trees many years ago.
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Bob
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