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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #27 on: Friday 22 October 10 23:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Jared,

Many School Admission Registers were transcribed by local branches of the NZ Society of Genealogists but I don't know if they hold further information.

What religion was Philip? Have you tried the archives of his local church denominations, including Russian Orthodox (anarchist perhaps, but he or his family might have maintained links).

It might be worth checking to see if he ever divorced.

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #28 on: Friday 22 October 10 23:24 BST (UK) »
Hi again Jared,

I have just sent a message to two JOSEPHS family researchers on Genes Reunited and directed them to this post.
ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #29 on: Friday 22 October 10 23:41 BST (UK) »
How do I check for divorces? Microfiche?

Thanks for notifying the family researchers as well. I'm happy to be emailed if need be.

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 23 October 10 00:17 BST (UK) »
Just a warning not to post your email address here. Use the Personal Message (PM) system by clicking on a users name.

Have you looked on Archway for him? There might be a divorce record although not everything is indexed or on Archway.

By the way, I can't see a NZ marriage for him. Do you have any record of one here or overseas?

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL


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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 23 October 10 00:31 BST (UK) »
Interesting...I can't see a NZ marriage for any of the children.
ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 23 October 10 00:40 BST (UK) »
Odd isn't it, did they all just leave, or ??alter name
It will be interesting to see what those researchers say..hope they make contact.
I only managed to get some names in some US census but stopped hunting as thought I was off on wrong tangent. Will wait patiently..
How we love a hunt

They were obviously achievers witht he scholar mentions etc.. so strange to just disappear.

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Althea

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 23 October 10 00:56 BST (UK) »
A year before the commencement of The Great War...would that be a factor?

I can't see any of the boys on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission database. Philip would have been too old.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 23 October 10 01:39 BST (UK) »
Yes Archways produced a file of Censored Correspondence of which I have in possession.

Josephs was a tailor, but also sold and distributed anarchist and IWW literature from his shop. After militant labour and the IWW was smashed in the Great Strike of 1913 things went quiet, although Josephs still distributed literature. War Regulations in 1914 prevented this distribution, and in 1915 the Police raided his home and workshop. From then on his correspondence was censored.

I'd imagine this wouldn't have been a very good climate to operate in, so he may have skipped town in 1917, reappearing in 1919 as a farmer. He then naturalised in 1921. However being Russian, the 'Red Scares' around the 20's may have forced the Josephs to move offshore, to Aussie or back to Russia. That's where it gets interesting!

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 23 October 10 02:09 BST (UK) »
Hi all,  found this and details seem to fit with the info already found.

1901 census SCOTLAND
32 McKinlay Street, Gorbals, Glasgow

Philip Joseph, head, b. 1877 Whithorn, Russia, Tailor
Sophia Joseph, wife, b. 1877 Whithorn, Russia
Jeannie Joseph, daur, b. 1898 Glasgow
Fanny Joseph, daur, b. 1899 Glasgow

What do you think?

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