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Offline dcbnwh

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Meaning of two more plaques
« on: Saturday 05 July 14 11:21 BST (UK) »
I was very grateful for the help on my previous posting and have two more from the same building.

I think they are dates from 15th or 16th centuries but am unable to understand them.

Many thanks,

David

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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 July 14 13:13 BST (UK) »
Dear David,

I'm no expert, but I think the first four letters in the first plaque spell Hugh  (hVgh) as I think very often they used to use V for U and it's the old fashioned g that's after it and lower case h at the start and end.  What do you think? 

I have no idea what the rest of it is though.

Hope it helps a little,
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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 July 14 16:02 BST (UK) »
Hello Alltcafan,

Thank you once again for your reply.

You could be right. I was thinking of the V as a number but it could be a letter and the name would be appropriate. I will try and think how the rest could fit in.
The large A with what looks like an imposed v is a puzzle but it might just be a styalised A.

Regards,

David


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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 July 14 16:32 BST (UK) »
Hello David,

big letters might be letters AND numbers, and all big numbers together might be a year.

A "hVgh MIChaeL" ..., will give you "MCLVI..."

Rudolf

 
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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 July 14 16:39 BST (UK) »
Google "Masonic symbols compass and quadrant".
   They seem similar to what looks like a capital "A" with the "V" imposed.

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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 July 14 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hello David,

big letters might be letters AND numbers, and all big numbers together might be a year.

A "hVgh MIChaeL" ..., will give you "MCLVI..."

Rudolf

 

That will give a number of 1156.

Are these pieces of stone from an older building and inserted into a newer one? Just a thought!

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Griffith(s) - Anglesey: Pentraeth, Llanddona.

Hughes - Anglesey: Holyhead, Llangefni, Pentraeth.
Caernarvonshire: Gyffin, Dwygyfylchi, Penmaenmawr.

Jones - Anglesey: Llangefni
Denbighshire: Betws yn Rhos, Llanfairtalhaiarn

Owen/Owens - Anglesey: Llanbadrig.
Caernarvonshire: Bangor, Penrhosgarnedd.
Denbighshire: Cerrigydrudion.

Roberts - Caernarvonshire: Dwygyfylchi, Penmaenmawr, Llysfaen.

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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 July 14 10:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the replies,

The plaques have been recycled and probably date from c1581 - see my previous posting.

For some reason, I got my Hughs mixed up and was thinking the probable Hugh on the plaque married Catherine Vaughan, but this was a hundred years later and two previous Hughs married an Anne Vaughan - all related.

It would make sense that the name on the left of the first one is Hugh and the A/V is a monogram for Anne Vaughan.

Only guessing, but it crossed my mind that EII might refer to the second year of the reign of Elizabeth I, which is possibly when Hugh Married Anne Vaughan.

David

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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 July 14 13:36 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the misleading 1156,
it should be an example for a stonemason's riddle.


Thank you David for the additional information,
it is not c1581 - it is exact 1581!

The hV8h is a Hugh and 1V81 = 1581,
the first part of the "h" is representing the "1".

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Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
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Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
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Re: Meaning of two more plaques
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 July 14 09:26 BST (UK) »
Many thanks,

David