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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Ninatoo on Monday 22 August 05 05:48 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I have just found that one of my ancestors, James Docherty died December, 1855 and was buried in Dalbeth Cemetery, Glasgow. I have looked at old maps and have done a search on the internet, but can find no clue as to where it might be, other than someone on another board saying it was on London Road, Tollcross (can't find that on the old maps) and that it has a new name now, but he didn't know what!
Can anyone help please?
Thanks for reading,
Nina
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Nina It's still known as Dalbeth, but it's also known as St Peters.
Liz
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Go to this site click here (http://www.headstones.fsnet.co.uk/dalbeth.htm) and there are some photographs of Dalbeth.
and streetmap click here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=263750&y=663250&z=1&sv=263750,663250&st=4&ar=N&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=259756&ay=664745) has a map showing London Road Tollcross road and dalbeth Road in the east end of Glasgow.
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Thanks for the information capricorn and falkyrn! I appreciate it very much!
Nina
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I have recently been working on records of this cemetery and can tell you
that there is a film of the Burial Register 1851- 1956 on microfilm in the
Mitchell Library in Glasgow (if you don't know were the grave is). The Mitchell is closed until the 5 sept, they should have a Burial Register at St Peter's. I just found more time to look at it in the Mitchell Library
St Peter's RC Cemetery
(Dalbeth Cemetery)
1900 London Road
Glasgow
regards
joe
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Thanks bankie,
I was born in Glasgow, but I have been in Australia since I was a child, so I can't visit the library or the cemetery, much as I'd love to :( . His wife Margaret could be there too, although she died in 1885, a good thirty years after him. I just wanted to know where it was on a map to familiarise myself to its whereabouts; kinda get a picture in my head.
Thanks again,
Nina
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Hi Jo
The burial records for St Peters Dalbeth are held at the Archdiocese, Clyde St and not at the cemetery itself and as long as you give the exact date of death then they will not charge you for a search.
I was also told that the Mitchell only holds the burial records up until 1937 so have I been misinformed?
Janie
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If you go to this link and click on the map. You will see the River Clyde, follow it up until you see were it comes back on itself. You should see Belvidere hospital. Just down from that is St Peter's RC Cemetery, beside Dalbeth convent.
http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/scotland.cfm?id=1206
regards
joe
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Thanks for that map Joe...It seems a long way from their residence. They lived in Rottenrow Street at the time, and it would have been a fair hike to go visit the grave site, particularly when other Catholics were able to be buried in the Necropolis, weren't they?
I wonder if they buried him there because of money problems or something?
Nina
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So...if there is anyone in Glasgow walking through Dalbeth in the near future....keep me in mind please? ;D
Nina
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Hi everyone I am new to this forum so please be patient with me.. ;D
I came across this topic for dalbeth cemetery and.. i know of this place.
I buried my husband there April last year, he was buried next to his step son who is also there.
I had never visited this place until i lost my stepson way back roughly 12 or so more years ago, my husband had already lost another son and this is the family plot.
Then he had cancer for 9years and this is where he wanted to be buried, i will probably be visiting again in the next week or so , (husbands birthday) so if i can help anyone , not sure what, but you can ask and i would like to try.
Just get in touch.
thanks
jane
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hi Nina
I'm going to Mitchell Library in Glasgow to check the Burial Register for my grandfather's records is your dates correct? -James Docherty died December, 1855 if so I'll check and get back to you or if you have other dates let me know.
regards
joe
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Hi Bankie,
Yes the date is correct, as I have the death registration certificate. That would be great if you could find something out! I appreciate it very much.
Nina
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Hello,
Does anyone know the address, phone number or email address of the Archdiocese where the records are kept?
Thanks,
Nikki
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hi im patrick mcgowan could you let me know if you came across the mcgowans grave my gg great grandfather and all the rest of the family were buried there in the 1800s as far as i know they lived in old monklands and baillieston, ill be going over there soon and would like to know what part of the cemetery they are in there name was the same as my own ,
yours sincerly patrick mcgowan
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does anyone know the email address of the archdiocese in clyde street, patrick mcgowan
mcgowenv@msn.com
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try info@rcag.org.uk
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I'll be going to Dalbeth some time in the future. I can't say exactly when but hopefully in 4-5 weeks. We have some family buried there, family name of Best, so my dad wants to go along. I'm going with him and will be armed with my digital camera. I'll keep a look out for Docherty and McGowan but can't make any promises that I'll kind them.
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Thanks for the offer to look at Dalbeth, Robert. I hope you do find something!
Nina
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I had the good fortune to visit St Peters on Saturday but I'm afraid I couldn't find any deaths from the 1800s. I did find a few Dochertys and McGowens but these were all deaths in the 1900s.
The cemetry itself is huge. It's alot bigger than I every imagines. As a consequence I didn't get to look around the whole cemetry in my 3 hour stay so the headstones could be in there somewhere. I'd imagine it would take over a day to look around the whole place. Luckily my dad had a rough idea of where my great grandparents were buried but even then it still took those few hours to find them.
Apologies that I could not find what you were looking for. We do have other family there that I know for a fact are buried there but could not find them either. There are also alot of headstones which are virtually impossible to read and these were not even as far back as the 19th centuary so it is a big task. For anyone going I would suggest maybe checking out the Mitchell Library Burial Index first or it could be a few days of long searching.
Robert
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If you can manage to go to Dalbeth from a Monday to a Friday between the hours of 10am and about 3.30pm and have the lair numbers then the groundsmen or the manager will locate the lairs for you.
I have found their help invaluable when tracing family lairs.
Janie
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Thank you so much for trying Robert. I appreciate it so much.
Nina
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Sorry Nina I took so long, nothing in (James Docherty) the Mitchell Library. Your best bet is to try the Archdiocese http://www.rcag.org.uk/
Regards
joe
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I was at the archdiocese offices last week to look for deaths the girl gave me an e-mail address if you know the exact date of death she can look it up for you. My friend was with me and she knew when her gran died and she looked it up and also told her who else was in the lair and the location . Her name was Sharon e-mail address is dalbeth[at]rcag.org.uk (Replace [at] with @)
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OOPS....wrote this whole message using my rootschat CHATROOM name...it is ME, Ninatoo!
Goodness Bankie...how did I manage to NOT thank you for your efforts back in October? Please accept my belated thanks, as I really appreciate your effort!
Neleh, thanks for the information, I will email my details and see what they come up with.
I visited another site recently and they were saying that Dalbeth is behind locked gates and a big fence, and also that it is now extremely overgrown, which is very sad. So I guess all of that would make it difficult to find a lair.
Still hoping.....
Nina
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Hi Nina,
must be some other cemetery. (There is one nearby which has gone to ruin).
Dalbeth is very well kept.
Cathy
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Ah...thanks Cathy....yes, rereading at the other site, it does say there is an old and a newer cemetery. I wonder where my ancestor will be...the old I imagine!
All the best,
Nina
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Hi Nina,
they are completely different cemeteries.
Dalbeth, also known as St. Peters, is really well kept.
I don't know how old it is.
I don't know the name of the other. It may be Janefield, but I couldn't swear to that, its just that there is/was a Janefield Road or Street around the area.
Cathy
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Thanks tetcol,
That's good to know. Well, I have written to the address suggested above, so I hope to have a lair number soon! And then maybe someone can take a photo for me ;D. I do not think there will be any actual marker, as the family weren't well-off.
Nina
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Nina,
After the Blantyre Pit Disaster (22 September, 1855) in which 215 miners lost their lives, all those of Roman Catholic persuasion were buried in Dalbeth Cemetery. This because their families were not allowed to have their loved ones buried in the local High Blantyre Cemetery.
Many of those killed were registered at a slightly later date as and when their bodies were recovered. Perhaps your relative was one of these.
Mac
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Hi Dixons,
I don't think he died as a result of the Pit Disaster, as his cause of death is Gastric Fever (14 days)...and his date of death was December 2, 1855.
I am wondering if his actual burial could have been delayed until 1856, because of the cold frozen ground at that time of year...although it says that he was buried at Dalbeth there is no date. But this is just speculation.
Neleh, I heard from the lady "Sharon" mentioned above, and she says she is happy to look for me, and will do so next time she is at the place where the archives are held. A very nice letter it was, too. Thanks for the email address!
Nina
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After the Blantyre Pit Disaster (22 September, 1855)
Hi Dixons
I may be getting confused but wasn't the Blantyre disaster in October 1877. If there was another one in 1855, have you any more info or suggestions for sources as i had ancestors in Blantyre at that time.
Helen
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Helen,
Apologies. One of us got the date wrong and it wasn't you. Let's call it a 'senior moment.'
Re your ancestors in Blantyre at that time. Book 'A Blast From The Past' (see www.blantyrepast.com) describes living/working conditions in the village and also full story of Disaster.
Mac
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I'm hoping to visit Dalbeth when I next get back home to Scotland, but I searched for it using Google Earth.
If you don't have this program installed, then you need to!
It's brilliant... I can see your headstone from up here :-)
Anyways I think I found the cemetery at:
55°50'20.13"N
4°11'13.55"W
If someone has Google Earth installed can they verify it please?
Jim
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I think you may be right mctaz - if Dalbeth is the one next to the Dewar Distillery - then you are on the ball! :)
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Nina,
I came by accident and rather late on this topic, the location of Dalbeth Cemetery.
Can I just explain, that there are in fact two Dalbeth Cemeteries. There's St Peter's, which is huge, well maintained and is still in use. Right next to it, there's a small cemetery called Old Dalbeth, which is no longer in use and is in a dreadful condition. It's the one accessed by climbing through 'gaps' in the old stone wall. It's marked on the old map of Glasgow you were advised to look up, right next to the convent (which no longer exists) "New" Dalbeth (not on the old map) takes up a large tract of land, west of this old cemetery.
If your ancestor is in 'New' Dalbeth there should no problem in locating the plot, even if there's no headstone. We were able to locate the g. g. grandparents plot in New Dalbeth this way. (My g.g, grandfather died 1889)
However if the ancestor is in Old Dalbeth there's little chance of finding the grave, unless it has a tall marble monument. These are the only things still visible in this jungle. My g. grandparents are buried in 'Old' Dalbeth. My g. grandfather died in 1902 and his wife in 1904 but they seem to have bought this plot in 1871 when their son died aged 2 (of whooping cough) Two grandchildren were later buried there; a girl who died 1900 aged 6 weeks (of measles) and a boy who died 1902 aged 3 1/2 (of burns !) Last to be buried there was a great grandchild, a little girl. She died in 1937 aged almost 3. Had she lived, she would have been my older sister. So you can appreciate why we are so angry about the neglect of Old Dalbeth. I'd like to start a campaign to get something done about it. I'm sure there are many descendants of those buried there would like to see the jungle cleared and the graves tidied up.
Dot
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Thanks you very much for that information dydo. I think I eventually found out that there were two Dalbeths, and what I would give to be able to dig around in the old one!
Thanks again,
Nina
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patrick mcgowan, could any one tell me were to find , were my aunt is buried, i no the name of the lair owner is (st.josephs home) and the section is 20 (st.josephs plot) its in st, peters dalbeth, i would just like to no were it is in the cemetery, thank you patrick mcgowan, and the aunts name is catherine mcgowan , she was buried in 1975, october
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I am searching for Conaghan ancestors and visited Dalbeth Cemetery yesterday 14/10/07. I found 2 that I was looking for in Dalbeth and then climbed over the wall to look in Old Dalbeth. A lot of the graves in this area are destroyed but the good news is that the council have started to clear the area. There are no trees left and all the brambles and nettles are away but most of the gravestones are lying broken. There are maybe 25-30 stones still standing in one piece and I don't know what the plans are for the area. Because it was sunday there was no-one available to speak to but we are hoping to go back on friday to find out more when the groundstaff are there.
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I went to the Mitchell Library two weeks ago to look for the burial place of my grandmother who died in 1922 aged 22 eventually the woman suggested I look in the burial records for St. Peters which I did but still found nothing so she went and got the microfiche with the burial records in common ground within St. Peters and my grandmother was there. There is no way of finding the exact place of burial, the woman said they would only be able to show me the general area so I wrote to the Archdiocese to see if they had records that give a more detailed record of the burial (I emailed the archivist) but I never received a reply. So if anyone is looking at the records for St. Peters and don't find what they are looking for try the burials in common ground and you might just be lucky.
Boop
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Hi:
Dalbeth Cemetery is also called St. Peters, London Road,
Glasgow. I was searching for the lair where my sister was buried and was in touch with the Archdiocese of Glasgow a very helpful staff member gave me the location of the lair.
The staff at the cemetery were also very helpful in helping me locate the lair number.
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hi recieved message, thank you for help
patrick mcgowan
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hi i wonder if you can help, and let me no were abouts in the cemetery my aunt is buried, she is in section 20 st, josephs plot, my email is (*)
pv,mcgowan
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I'm hoping to visit Dalbeth when I next get back home to Scotland, but I searched for it using Google Earth.
If you don't have this program installed, then you need to!
It's brilliant... I can see your headstone from up here :-)
Anyways I think I found the cemetery at:
55°50'20.13"N
4°11'13.55"W
If someone has Google Earth installed can they verify it please?
Jim
That's the one. As you can see it is huge. I went there a while back and never checked the records before hand which is not a good idea. Although we found one grave we couldn't find the other despite the fact my dad had been at both interments. It is that big that you would need more than a day to get around them all.
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hiya can u help both my parents buried in family plots in dalbeth with no gravestones how do l go bout finding out where they r buried my dads family plot is thomas he died in jan 1982 n my mums family plot is diamond she died in nov 1989, is dalbeth still closed or have they opened it bk up again
jackie
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HI JACKY, MY NAME IS PATRICK MCGOWAN, THERE IS A LOT OF MY FAMILY IN DALBETH, OVER A LOT OF YEARS,, BUT I WENT OVER ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO, LOOKING AN AUNTS GRAVE, AND COULDN,NT FIND IT, BUT ILL GAVE YOU AN NUMBER TO RING WHICH I GOT , THEY CALL IT ( LAND AND INVIRONMENTAL SERVICES GLASGOW CITY COUNCIL RICHMOND EXCHANGE- 20 CADOGAN STREET GLASGOW G27AD PHONE NUMBER 0141 287 9000, I NEVER GOT THERE YET, SO IF YOU GET TO DALBETH, WOULD YOU LOOK UP MY AUNTS GRAVE,, SHE WAS CALLED CATHERINE MCGOWAN, AND THE GRAVE IN ST, JOSEPHS PLOT NO 20, SHE WAS BURIED IN 1975,, I RECIEVED THE LETTER FROM THOSE PEOPLE I PHONED, MY NAME IS PATRICK MCGOWAN, AND I LIVE IN BELFAST, , ILL BE VERY HAPPY IF YOU CAN DO THIS FOR ME,
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hi, margo im tring to see if you can help, my name is patrick mcgowan, and you have answered me before, my aunt was buried in dalbeth in 1975, in st.josephs plot section 20, im one of the mcgowans from baillieston, and your relations might be related to me, thanks for looking at this
pv mcgowan
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Hi Vinty,
Just to clarify a couple of points with you, Dalbeth Cemetery has been closed for many years now. I think your relations will be buried in St Peters which is the new part of the site and often gets refered to as Dalbeth.
This graveyard is still owned and maintained by the Roman Catholic Church. The cemeteries office at Glasgow will have the plot details for the purpose of registration however you may find you'll get more help in the actual location of your family lairs by contacting Sharon at the Arch Diocese of Glasgow.
196 Clyde Street Glasgow
G1 4JY
Tel: 0141 226 5898
Fax: 0141 225 2600
Gerry
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hi gerry already got the no, of the plot, my aunt was buried in st, josephs plot in st, peters . the no, of thesection was 20 st.josephs plot, just would like to no what way you would go if you go threw the front gates, thank you
pmcgowan
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hi my name is patrick mcgowan, i wonder if i could get in touch, i wrote to you before, pmcgowan
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Sure Patrick, I'll Pm you with my email address.
Gerry
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THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO CEMETERIES BESIDE EACH OTHER.THE ORIGINAL DALBETH CEMETERY WHICH IS SMALLER AND ST PETERS CEMETERY DALBETH.PEOPLE ARE OFTEN CONFUSED AND SAY DALBETH CEMETERY WHEN THEY ACTUALLY MEAN ST PETERS.
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Hi Patrick have just come across this site and saw your email regarding a Catherine McGowan.I think this may be the same person I knew many years ago.When Iwas about 6 or 7 my parents were asked by the parish priest if they could give a room to a Catherine McGowan who was staying with the Good Shepherd Nuns in Bishopton.she came to live with us for a few years and worked in the Richmond Park Laundry.She later got her own house in Craigend and then went to The Little Sisters at Robroyston.I can remember attending her funeral in 1975 but unfortunately the Little sisters plot does not have any headstones other than the central one in the middle of the plot which is quite a large plot.
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hi rocky recieved your message, about catherine, she was a laundry worker, im trying to find all about her, maybe u can help, she was my late fathers eldest sister, and i never new about her, as the rest of family came to belfast when she was about 19, i no she had down as next of kin a mclean from millar street baillieston,, they were mcgowans as well,, hope you can help me, im a mcgowan as well, let me no if you need my email,
pv, mcgowan
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Hi Nina,
look up St Peter's Dalbeth Cemetary. They even have a findagrave site.
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Sorry! Posted on wrong thread ::)
Monica