help finding information (Edward Butler)

[hayley_2004]

Hello everyone
I'm wondering if anyone can help me find information out about my 3rd Great Grandfather Edward Butler. I've tried looking before but didn't have any luck, but i've found a bit more information out now but unfortunately I only have access to free sites at the moment and i've exhausted those.
I don't have a lot to go on really. He was a fisherman so he doesn't appear on the 1881 census with the rest of his family. So I don't know his place of birth, but he moved to Grimsby, Lincolnshire sometime between 1868 and 1876. His wife and eldest daughter's birth place is Gorleston, Suffolk, according to 1881 census.
What I do know is this, his name is Edward Butler, this is definitely true, it's also on his daughter Ada's marriage certificate.
His marriage to his wife Eliza Clarke shows up on FreeBMD as taking place in Mutford March 1865.
There is a possible match in the 1881 census, a fisherman on board the 'Leader', at the time its location is Ayr (scotland I think). I checked and there was a Grimsby fishing ship called 'Leader'. But there is no place of birth written down but the year of birth is 1845 which does fit.
His wife was called Eliza Clarke (b1848) his daughters were called Alice Eliza born 1868 and Ada Mary Ann born 1876.
According to a lady I spoke to he lost touch with the rest of his family and was living away in London towards the end of his life and when he died there was a notice in the national press which his daughter saw and was given some money. Not sure about the accuracy of that story though.
There is also a possibility that his father was called William Butler and he may have had a brother called Charles. (This is completely new information to me)
Anyway, I know that's a long message and not much information to go on but if anyone could spare any time I would really appreciate any help. I'd just like to find out where he came from and who his parents and family were.
Thanks again
Hayley

[Morganllan]

Hello Hayley 

If you send for the marriage certificate you may find Edward's father's name and occupation. This would help you to trace him in earlier censuses and perhaps obtain his birth certificate.

Duplicate thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,520591.0.html

Kind Regards
Morgan

[Eyesee]

Not sure if you have this

1871 - RG10/1782/6/4
Englands Lane, Gorleston
Maryann CLARKE, wife mar 55, born Suffolk, Gorleston
Alice E BUTLER, niece 2, born ditto

Ian C

[KGarrad]

1871 census:
Reference RG10/4792/105/25
Wood's Lane Perseverance Place, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire

Butler, Edward  Head  M  28  Fisherman  b London
Butler, Eliza  Wife  F  24  Dressmaker  b Suffolk

[KGarrad]

And this possibility in 1881?

Reference RG11/5001/127/0
Transcription says Sunderland? But Original says:
SS Cleanthes, Lying at the Port Gibraltar

Snowdon, John  Master  39  b Sunderland
. . . . .
Butler, Edward  AB  36  b London, Middlesex

Wife and children here:
RG11/3270/108/1
11 Albion Street, Great Grimsby

Butler, Eliza  Wife Head  F  31  Dressmaker  b Gorleston, Norfolk
Butler, Alice E  Daughter  F  12  Scholar  b Gorleston
Butler, Ada M A  Daughter  F  5  Scholar  b Grimsby

[Ladyhawk]

Can't say for definate that this is Edward Butler on 1851 census with his family, place & year of birth roughly same - marriage certificate of Edward & Eliza would confirm both father's names & occupation

1851 9, Fox And Knot Court, Saint Sepulchre, London Middlesex
BUTLER, John Head Married  M 48 1803 Groom Holmerton Warwickshire
BUTLER, Lucy Wife Married  F 40 1811 Rugby Warwickshire
BUTLER, William Son  M 10 1841 Scholar London
BUTLER, Edward Son  M 8 1843 Scholar London
BUTLER, Thomas Son  M 5 1846 Scholar London

This looks to be his wife Eliza

1861 Old England Lane, Gorleston, Great Yarmouth
CLARK, Mary Ann Head Married  F 44 1817 Gorleston Suffolk
CLARK, Ellen Visitor Unmarried  F 37 1824  Gorleston Suffolk
CLARK, Eliza Niece Unmarried  F 15 1846 Dressmaker Gorleston Suffolk

1851 Pier Road, Gorleston, Great Yarmouth
CLARKE, Mary Ann Head Married  F 34 1817 Mariners Wife GorlestonSuffolk
CLARKE, Eliza Visitor  F 5 1846 Gorleston Suffolk

[hayley_2004]

Thank you everyone for your help, I really appreciate the fact you've taken your time to help me That definitely seems to fit with Eliza.
I do need to get some certificates to help me out, but unfortunately I haven't got the money to do so at the moment.
Thanks again

[Ladyhawk]

Edward BUTLER has died sometime after the 1891 & before the 1901 census

Ada Mary M Butler married 1893 Caistor
Walter Frederick W POOLE (Fisherman) born 1870 Dovercourt Essex

1901 138, Hamilton Street, Clee, Grimsby
POOLE Ada M Wife Married  F 24 1877 Grimsby Lincolnshire
POOLE Walter Son Single  M 5 1896 Grimsby Lincolnshire
BUTLER Eliza Mother-In-Law Widow  F 52 1849  Gorleston

1891 17 Bridge Street North, Great Grimsby, Grimsby
BUTTLER Eliza Head Married  F 38 1853 Dressmaker Gorlestone
BUTTLER Ada Daughter Single  F 16 1875  Grimsby
Plus 4 boarders

Alice Eliza BUTLER married 1887 Mutford
Frederick John DUNNETT

1901 56, Cliff Hill, Great Yarmouth
DUNNETT Frederick Head Married  M 37 1864 General Labourer Gorleston
DUNNETT Alice E Wife Married  F 32 1869 General Labourer Gorleston
DUNNETT Frederick J Son  M 12 1889 Gorleston
DUNNETT Edward J Son  M 7 1894 Gorleston
DUNNETT Charles P Son  M 5 1896 Gorleston
DUNNETT Alice M Daughter  F 3 1898 Gorleston

1891 17, Pier Road, Gorleston, Great Yarmouth
DUNNETT Frederick Head Married  M 27 1864 General Labourer Gorleston
DUNNETT Alice Wife Married  F 22 1869 Beatster Gorleston
DUNNETT Frederick J Son Single  M 2 1889 Gorleston

[hayley_2004]

Thanks for that last message.
I have a feeling that although Eliza thought he died, he actually didn't die he just went and lived somewhere else. Because someone who I have been in touch with recently said they remembered his death being in the paper or something and his daughter Ada collected some money she was left but this was a lot later on than 1901. But I don't know why he would move away from the family and say he was dead. I was told that happened around 1940.
But then again that is speculation as I don't know the full story
Thanks again