Author Topic: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)  (Read 12591 times)

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 16:42 BST (UK) »
Chris, you can't search statutory births with mother's maiden name. Not sure if this is what you meant when you say:


So I filtered by Dickson - 1 hit
by Dixon - 0 hits

I narrowed it down to Ross and Cromarty - that wiped out the hit I had.

There should be 7 kids in that range.

I experimented with * as a forename and got nowhere.


I looked for the entry we had here on Family Search https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ2M-9VP and it does seem to show on SP. Just one entry showing for a male Pringle b. 1855 in Lochcarron.

Pre 1855, I can only see one entry in the OPRs:

Isabella 1852 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQ79-J77

There is also a Jane aged two showing in 1851 with her parents?

Post 1855, and on the statutory registers and will be available to view as images on SP, looks to be:

Male child https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ2M-9VP as we have discussed
William 1858 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ65-M32 must have died young as name reusued in 1862.
Thomas 1860 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ65-MZ9
William 1862 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ65-M3P
Margaret 1864 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQMB-K4Y
David 1867 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ12-PV6

However, as you have already, 1861 shows some more children:

William Pringle 36 shepherd
Elizabeth Pringle 32
Jane Pringle 12
Isabella Pringle 10
Robt Pringle 8
Francis Pringle 6
Thos Pringle 10 Months
Address: Bottacks, Fodderty

No further children after David b. 1867. So, 9 children for them with one early death of William b.1858.

Interesting that Elizabeth's parents' names don't feature amongst their children's names.

Monica


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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 17:19 BST (UK) »
See you now have the transcription of the gravestone at Canonbie...reads like a family bible!

Good confirmation that Robert, from 1841, was son of at least James (if James' marriage to Mary Young was possibly a second marriage).

James Dixson 45 joiner
Mary Dixson 40 b. England
Robert Dixson 20 joiner
Sarah Dixson 15
James Dixson 12
Betty Dixson 10
Ester Dixson 8
Mary Dixson 5
John Dixson 3
Thomas Dixson 9 Months

Address: Bowholm, Canonbie

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 17:32 BST (UK) »
I have the 1855 cert now, it confirms the date for a boy (Francis) and has the marriage date 3 days later than I had.

It has both WP and ED born and married in the same place, but it is not something I can read.

Shows 2 girls and 1 boy alive, and that this boy is EDs 4th, which all stacks up.

The only problem is that she said she was 27 when the ED I thought she was should have been 25 - oops...


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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 17:42 BST (UK) »
But ED was not born in the same place as WP was she  :-\ I did note the 1851 census saying she was a Roxburgh girl, 1861 not clear from the transcript and 1871 showed Canonbie didn't it.

Can you take a clip of the image with the name place from the cert? You can't add the full image due to copyright, just clips for help with deciphering etc. If you need help with this, just send me a personal message with your email (I will respond with mine). Happy to then add this clip for you here.

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 22:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Thanks for the help so far, yes I got birth date and place from census data, shame it does not match neatly to the cert, and yes the lack of parent name handing down had occurred to me, I assumed I had missed a kid, perhaps a twin someplace.

I have attached snippets here, should be safe from the copyright police. I guess one day they will swoop on all the shared docs on ancestry and demand cash, maybe ancestry should negotiate a waiver for all users, but then maybe they should properly implement hiding some pictures.

Ta

Chris

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 23:13 BST (UK) »
Another suspect bit in the records is the space between births, Mary Young had

James - 19 Mar 1829 - Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland
Elizabeth - 27 Dec 1829  - Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland

Elizabeth must have been premature.


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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 07 August 14 10:52 BST (UK) »
Odd  :-\ Elizabeth and William's places of birth and marriage as you have on the 1855 cert are the same aren't they. Looks to me to be something like Kenmore...but that can't be as Kenmore is in Perthshire.

Hopefully someone may be able to determine better. You could also do a new posting, with the snippets you have, on the Deciphering and Recognition board here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=425.0 to ask for additional help.

Francis 1855 birth place in Lochcarron also escapes me (but there are so many good people here on RC who are great on local or deciphering skills!). This is a good guide to place names in Lochcarron, just for reference. Useful feature is that it also links to maps. See www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/place-names/Lochcarron?class=parish&county=Ross%20and%20Cromarty

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 August 14 11:04 BST (UK) »
Can I ask, have you been able to confirm William P and Elizabeth D's parents in any way? Not sure what details NZ death certs included at that time.

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 07 August 14 11:26 BST (UK) »
I only have the parents from the birth transcriptions on ancestry.

I thought Kenmore as well but did not want to cloud your judgement, the transcriptions have Teviothead and Canonbie.

I will try it on the other board.

Ta

Chris