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Offline Nova67

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Early Births in VDL c.1823
« on: Saturday 26 July 14 00:18 BST (UK) »
I have read that there is a book called "Early Births in VDL" by Alex Buchanan.  I was wondering if anyone has access to this book?
I am looking for a Maria Lord born c. 1823. No baptism exists under that name.
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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 July 14 00:36 BST (UK) »
Could she have had a different name, but been called Maria do you think.  I see there is a baptism for an Emma Lord in Hobart in 1819 and her mother was Maria??

There is another Isabella Charlotte in 1926 ,in Clarence VDL, but her mother is Charlotte - no Maria in sight on that one -

But I don't have access to full BDM only what's on Ancestry which isn't complete.

Who are Maria's parents?   

Wiggy   :)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 July 14 01:07 BST (UK) »
Emma Lord b. 1819 is the daughter of Maria Lord (nee Riseley) and Lieutenant Edward Lord. I suspect you have the mother right!

I think my Maria was the child of that Maria Lord.  However, historically this is not recorded. Maria Jnr marriage certificates have her as being born around 1822/23. Her death certificate has c.1824/25 "born in England". Another document at Tasmanian Archives has her as being a "native" of the Colony.

Edward Lord successfully sued Charles Rowcroft for criminal conversation with his wife in 1824.

See:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2003-11/1068146993

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 July 14 07:33 BST (UK) »
Ooooh - criminal conversation - something to be avoided at all costs!!   ;D ;D

Sorry I can't be more help  . . . .  but if Emma is the older sister, then I wonder where you got the born in UK bit from. 

I have some pretty dodgy death certificates - the accuracy depended so much on the knowledge of the one giving the information.  Some of mine didn't know much!!   ;)  And Tasmanian death certificates aren't much chop are they - (unless you have the luck to have the death occurring  in another colony - like Victoria where they give lots of info - some of which may be correct!)

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 July 14 08:37 BST (UK) »
I imagine that you have read all that is available on Lieutenant LORD. He was certainly a prominent if not infamous early VDL individual. But my reading of his life has him mostly in England in the time frame of the birth. He did of course have some minor stays back in Tassie but as he may not have been here for the birth he would not have gone down on any BC as this required the father to be present. Have you searched under just the mother possibly with her maiden name?

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 July 14 08:52 BST (UK) »
This is worth a read as it almost says to me that the child was actually Charles ROWCROFT's.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01923/

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 July 14 08:55 BST (UK) »
Then there is Simeon Lord who was a very big wig about town way back then - (different family I do believe.)    ;)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 July 14 13:01 BST (UK) »
Nova67's Maria was noted as a servant and signed with her mark when she married for the second time in 1854.  I really doubt that a daughter of either Edward or Maria would be in service or be illiterate.

Link to previous topic:  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=680587.0

Edward died in 1859 in England and his lengthy will is digitised on Tas. Archives.  He mentions all surviving children from both relationships and there is no Maria there.

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=9

All the same, it would be interesting to see the transcript of what was said in the "criminal conversation" case, particularly as Edward had already fathered his first child with Elizabeth STORER in England   >:(

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Re: Early Births in VDL c.1823
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 July 14 13:41 BST (UK) »
The"attentuated" trial for criminal conversation went for 8 - 14 hours a day (according to the newspapers). No evidence of the proceedings survives as far as I know. Edward Lord may have had them destroyed? He had a history of that.

I would suggest that Charles Rowcroft could have been the father.

Note the previous topic mentioned by Dundee was started by me.

The undertaker was the informant on the then Maria Smith's death re born England. Another Maria Smith died 1915 had a different husband. Son William Smith was admitted to the Lansdowne Boys Home in 1869 and the mother is Maria Lord "Native" and father James Smith "Forfarshire" F.S. Maria was widowed for the second time then.

Thanks for interest.
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