Robert Ribbans - m - Isabella ?? - marriage lookup in Essex 1830/40

[ribbo39]

Hi all,

I’m looking for a marriage of a Robert Ribbans (born about 1811 Suffolk) to a Isabella ??(name unknown)  sometime between 1830-1840 possibly in Fordham.

I’m not sure it was in Essex as I’m only going on where their children were born (Bradfield & Manningtree) per the 1851 census (living in Gt.Coggeshall)  & 1861 (in Enfield, Middx)  and it would appear that Isabella was some 9 - 11 years older than her husband and in all lists Essex as her county of birth (Fordham & Deedham).

In 1871 they are in Cheshunt, Herts and Robert in 1881 is a widower still living in Herts  with his dau  and son-in-law. In each census he was a butcher.

I’ve tried FamilySearch, FreeREG, & And…y without any success.

Anyone able to help please.

Alan

[Barbara F]

Hi Alan

Have you seen the 1841 census for Robert Rivens in Manningtree?  He is a Butcher and has with him a Sarah aged 20 plus Charity aged 3 and Elijah aged 1.  There are birth registrations for both Charity and Elijah on Free BMD indexed as Rivens.  Sarah might be  a first wife but as relationships are not shown this is not certain.

This entry suggests that maybe Sarah died and Robert later married/lived with Isabella.  I suspect Joseph aged 14 in the 1851 census might be Isabella's son by a previous relationship.  I will look for a death for Sarah.  If she did not die that would explain why you cannot find a marriage for Robert to Isabella.

Barbara

[Barbara F]

Hi again

Take a look at this

Deaths Mar 1842   Rivens  Sarah     Tendring  12 190


Barbara

Added:

There is also a marriage in Tendring RD for a Robert Rivvens Sep 1837.  One of the females on the same page is a Sarah Barber

[ribbo39]

Hi Barbara,

Many thanks for your replies.

I hadn't seen the 1841 census but it would appear to be him as his trade (Butcher) is consistent thru the censuses.

The possibility of him marrying Sarah, who then is buried in 1842, leads to him marrying a Isabella later than I had thought.

I've just found a marriage for Robert Revans to a Sarah Gill Dec ¼ 1939 in the Stow Reg. Dist. which appears to fit in with 1841 census.

I'll have to have a look using the "Revans" surname, perhaps something will turn up.

Just noticed you also found a marriage in 1837 for Tendring Dist - where are you finding this as I'm drawing a blank?

Your help is most appreciated.

Alan

[Barbara F]

Hi Alan

The birth, marriage and death registrations are from Free BMD

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Do you know anything more about Joseph and the 7 year old Isabella who are in the 1851 census? 

Barbara

[Barbara F]

I am wondering if Isabella's surname was Gaymor.

When Isabella Ribbans married Joseph Larman the witnesses were a Joseph and Jane Gaymor.  In the 1851 census Joseph "Ribbans" is 14 years old and I noted that I thought he was a son of Isabella but not of Robert.  In 1841 I have found a census entry for a 5 year old Joseph Gaymor in Bradfield.  In the same household is an Isabella Gaymor aged 35.

This does seem to fit together.

Also, I couldn't find a birth registration for Isabella Ribbans (or variant) but I have found this

Births Jun 1843   Gaymer  Isabella     Tendring  12 265

Isabella's birth certificate would be very useful!

Barbara

[Barbara F]

Have just had a look for Gaymer on family search and think I may be rather confused now!

There is a marriage for an Isabella Thompson to a Josph Gaymer in  Bradfield on 5 October 1830. That does make some sense as in 1841 Isabella has 2 Thompson girls in the household with her and there are Thompsons in the adjacent household.

There is a baptism for a Joeph Gaymer in 1836 but the parents are Joesph and Lucy.  Also there is a burial of a Joseph Gaymer in 1834.

It is difficult to work out how all these fit together.  Maybe it would be worth you checking the parish registers for Bradfield.  These are on SEAX and can be accessed by subscription

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/EssexAncestors.aspx

Barbara

[suffolk*sue]

I just looked at the Gaymer/Thompson marriage and Isabella is listed as a widow.
witnesses were John Taylor and Eliza Winney.

Heres her first marriage, also at Bradfield

William Thompson of Mistley
Isabella Howlett
both single and by banns
witnesses
John Thompson
William Tayler
Charles Cousins (clerk)
24th October, 1820

[Barbara F]

That is very interesting.  So potentially we have Isabella married twice and then with Robert Ribbans.

In 1841 the Joseph Gaymor with her is 65.  I wonder if he is her husband or father in law?

In the 1861 census there is a Susanna Frost aged 17 named as a Grand daughter in the Ribbans' household.  Might be worth following her back to see how she fits in.

Barbara