Will of John Isaac HOLBOROW, 1881, Sydney

[AshkeJ]

So some further spellings of the family name 

You have no idea how many different permutations I've seen in records over the years!!

Thank you for these baptisms and all the other info, JM, it is very much appreciated!

With regard your point about buying the transcription versus the certificate, I believe when I purchased there was no option for the transcription of that particular one otherwise I definitely would have! Whilst I don't mind spending the money where I need to, its always good to spend less where possible! (Does that make me sound cheap??? )

[majm]

Well, the NSW BDM is putting the V numbers back into the Early Church Records Indexes, (JM sighs )

In 1851 John I HALBROW’s baptism is registered twice.   Volume 141, line 882 and Volume 68, line 1348  with parents as Isaac and Johannah.   Volume 68 is definitely for 1851 and for Roman Catholic Baptisms.  Vol 141 is for supplementary registrations.

In 1854,  Vol 71, line 1059, Peter J HOLBOROUGH, parents as Isaac and Johannah, Vol 71 is Roman Catholic Baptisms. 

Answering OP's question ..... No, not cheap, just making sure your penny wise, to become pound wiser for further family history certs    ADD, any ECR in volumes HIGHER than 123 you must get from NSW BDM as they have these.   Vol 1 - 123 are imaged and originals no longer accessible to general public and archived at State Records.   (That may have changed in the past decade, but that's the way it was back pre about 2000)

Cheers,  JM

[~MERLIN~]

Johanna & Mary CANTWELL (sisters) arrived together on the 'Alfred' 19 Jan 1841.

CANTWELL Johanna 20yrs, Single, Nursery Governess and Housemaid, Roman Catholic, Read & Write.
CANTWELL Mary 23yrs, Single, Nursery Governess, Roman Catholic,  Read & Write.
They were from Cahir, Tipperary, Ireland.
Their parents were William a shopkeeper & Margaret CANTWELL.

[Dundee]

Vol 121 is shown as " Supplementary Registers - Baptisms, Burials and Marriages, 1827-1901"

Cheers,  JM

Vol 121-123 are Supplementary Registers - Baptisms, Burials and Marriages, 1827-1901

Vol 121 specifically is Baptisms   1830-1901  Supplementary Register   

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/volumes-1-123-1/volumes-1-123

Debra 

[judb]

So the Daniel HOLBOR(R)OW who had the drapery business is related to your Gloucestershire HOLBORROWs?

I could not see any overlap between John Isaac and Daniel on TROVE although they lived quite near each other in Sydney at around the same time and with such an unusual surname.  Daniel seemed to do very well building a big house out at Croydon.   

Good finds, JM and Merlin.

I wonder if John Isaac's son has inadvertently mixed up the mothers and attributed a mother called Margaret to his father,rather than his mother.

There is a sad story in these TROVE articles re Esther MOGGRIDGE and Mary HOLBOROW being involved with infanticide in 1894. Esther went on to be charged with this matter.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/25682363
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44100638
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114084685
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/124731311
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114084718
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/114077557
The trial was listed for June 1894 but I cannot see any reports of the tril.

The next TROVE mentions for Esther MOGGRIDGE seem to be death and funeral notices in August, 1931
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16807317

Judith

[AshkeJ]

So the Daniel HOLBOR(R)OW who had the drapery business is related to your Gloucestershire HOLBORROWs?

Yes he is - although Daniel's 2 x great-grandfather was my 6 x great-grandfather so the link between us directly is pretty slim.   

I could not see any overlap between John Isaac and Daniel on TROVE although they lived quite near each other in Sydney at around the same time and with such an unusual surname. 

No indeed - which is one reason I'm not certain they were brothers ... even cousins seems to stretch what I already know about the Holborows - but I wouldn't say that I have every English Holborow slotted into the overall Holborow tree that I have!

I wonder if John Isaac's son has inadvertently mixed up the mothers and attributed a mother called Margaret to his father,rather than his mother.

I was thinking just the same thing as I was reading. It does seem a little coincidental.

There is a sad story in these TROVE articles re Esther MOGGRIDGE and Mary HOLBOROW being involved with infanticide in 1894. Esther went on to be charged with this matter.

Yes - I'd come across references to this before. A distressing case, indeed. I find it odd that Esther's husband isn't mentioned in any way, other than the fact that she was "living away" from him.

Thanks again!

[Dundee]

I wonder if John Isaac's son has inadvertently mixed up the mothers and attributed a mother called Margaret to his father,rather than his mother.

Judith

...and I wonder how he didn't even know his own mother's name 

Debra 

[judb]

Waiting with bated breath for the Probate packet...............

I am not seeing any entry for John/Isaac HOLBOR(R)OW into NSW.

I note that there are a couple of mentions of D HOLBORROW arriving 1839 from (via?) Launceston (Tasmania or Cornwall?) - I assume that's Daniel but can't see anything for John/Isaac.

The first mention of an Isaac HOLBOROW in Sydney is 18 June 1844 - an advertisement dissolving partnership of himself and William LYNCH.  Isaac will continue the business alone as a butcher.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12426425

You may have already seen this photo which includes Daniel HOLBOROW's shop  - I found the photo through TROVE.

http://collection.hht.net.au/firsthhtpictures/picturerecord.jsp?recno=37850

The "David Jones & Co" outfitters has become a large department store with branches in many Australian cities.

Another street view of D HOLBOROW's shop
http://www.photosau.com.au/cos/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=087512

Judith

[majm]

From outside the square ......  there's a Thomas MAGGS, transported to VDL and he was also known as HOLBROW

http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/maggs/thomas/109007

Sorry, but I am still getting my head around the new Tas Archives site, it seems fantastic, but grey cells still absorbing and fingers still learning what buttons to click on .....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=701679.0

Cheers,  JM