CLARK and HODGES / STROUD

[PJCPJC]

Hi everybody and greetings from Australia.

John CLARK b 1777 Scotland (thanks  Eyesee) d before 1851
A source names him John Stough CLARK, but the middle name is unlikely because at all the childrens' baptisms no middle name is recorded but wife Louisa's is recorded every time.
1816 res Rotherhithe Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1817 res James's Street, Limehouse London E14 : occ Mariner
1818 res Limehouse London E14 : occ Mariner
1820 res Limehouse London E14 : occ Mariner
1821 res Paradise Place, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1823 res Globe Stairs, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1824 res Trinity Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1828 res Trinity Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1830 res Trinity Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1831 res Trinity Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Master Mariner
1833 res Trinity Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1835 res Russell Street, Rotherhithe London SE16 : occ Mariner
1841 census Mariners Alms Houses, Bow Common, London E3

married 12/10/1815 St Giles’s, Camberwell  (The marriage register shows both otp and John was a widower).

Louisa Lancaster HODGES ch 30/05/1794 St Mary's, Rotherhithe d 1st Qtr 1875 reg Mile End Old Town  [daughter of John HODGES & Sarah STROUD, but married and signed the register as Louisa Lancaster STROUD, which also appears in baptism registers for the children]
1851 census 7 Maritime Cottages, Stepney London E1 : occ Annuitant - widow
1861 census 7 Maritime Alms Houses, Bow Common Lane, London E3 : occ Annuitant; 1 servant
1871 census 7 Maritime Alms Houses, Bow Common Lane, London E3 : occ Annuitant [also present:- Emma CLARK boarder age 21 unmarried b Clerkenwell London : occ Machinist].

I believe I have all their children (eleven - thanks Eyesee! )

John CLARK was a common name and I cannot access an LDS Family History Centre to view films of parish registers, so I cannot yet make further progress on him, his first wife, and Louisa Lancaster HODGES' parents. 

These are my wife’s great-great-great grandparents.  Any chance of some help please?

Many thanks for viewing,

Peter.

[Eyesee]

How about this marriage
St George's East Christ Church Watney St
1871 Jan 17
Ernest Victor Albert SANDERSON, 21, bachelor, Commercial clerk, Christ Church, father John Sanderson, Wool merchant
Elizabeth Louisa Steer CLARK, 19, spinster, -, Christ Church, father Henry Hanwell Clark, Master mariner
Married by licence
Both signed in presence of Chas Jno Osborne, Mary Ann Lines

Looks like Elizabeth SANDERSON was the grand-daughter, with Henry Hanwell CLARK being a son of John and Louisa.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

Looks like there were two Henry Hanwell CLARKs.

First one born 1819 baptised 1820 Limehouse. He died and was buried 17 Nov 1820 at St Paul, Deptford, according to Pilot Familysearch

The second one was
Rotherhithe St Mary
1821 Sep 26, Henry Hanwell, s/o John & Louisa Lancaster CLARK, Paradise Place, Mariner, born 1821 Jan 15

That makes 12 altogether

Ian C

[PJCPJC]

Hi Eyesee,

Thank you so much for your two very helpful replies.  I had Henry Hanwell CLARK’s baptism 13 Oct 1820 Limehouse with a birthdate of 13 Aug 1820.  I didn’t have his death and I missed the second Henry Hanwell CLARK entirely.  Thank you very much.  I am assuming Paradise Place was in Rotherhithe.  Actually, I make that 11 children now.

That SANDERSON – CLARK marriage was another great find.  So Ernest is a grandson-in-law.  I hope I end up finding out more about Louisa Lancaster STROUD’s family and who John CLARK’s first wife was.

Many thanks,

Peter.

[Eyesee]

1816 George Houston )
1817 George Houston ) Baptised twice by the look of it
1818 Sarah Ann Louisa
1820 Henry Hanwell
1821 Henry Hanwell
1823 Alfred Cockshott
1825 Jeanette
1828 Louisa Stanley
1830 Elizabeth Hodges
1831 Lilly Lancaster
1833 Margaret Ann
1835 John Stroud

Makes 12 11 to me now too

Ian C

[PJCPJC]

Hi Eyesee,

Thanks for your reply.  George was indeed baptised twice.  First as George Hoasstown or possibly Hoarstown on 09/08/1816 and then as George Houston on 10/10/1817, with both entries quoting the same 18/07/1816 birthdate.  An acceptable way to change a name in pre-registration days, I suppose.

Many thanks,

Peter.

[Eyesee]

The 1841 census says John is 64, and was born in Scotland. Neither Louisa or any of the children were born in the county.

There is a Thomas STEERS living with them aged 8. Possibly a son of John STEERS and Charlotte Maria nee BAIZLEY. He was a Mariner and married at St Giles Camberwell, same church as John and Louisa. Possibly some connection with Henry Hanwell CLARK. He may have married a STEER to give his daughter that name as one of her christian names.

Sarah Ann Louisa CLARK, daughter of John married a Thomas Alfred STEER, 9 Feb 1838, at St John Horsleydown, Surrey.

Ian C

[PJCPJC]

Hi Eyesee,

I share your theory about the naming of Henry Hanwell’s daughter but I cannot yet find anything to back it up.  Lots of Henry CLARKs getting married, but God forbid the registrar should write down the man’s middle name before accepting the fee.

Pinning John CLARK’s birth to Scotland was a major find!   When I saw that 1841 census image it was very faint and a lower resolution (I’m on dialup and sometimes images don’t complete – if I had a pet tortoise I would name it Dialup). 

There may yet be a twelfth child.  Louisa’s grandson in the 1851 & 1861 censuses is apparently Thomas Alfred CLARK b 1st Qtr 1845 reg Poplar b 15/02/1845 ch 09/03/1845 All Saints, Poplar  Parents: Thomas George CLARK occ Engineer & Janet (SURNAME?).

Thank you very much,

Peter.

[PJCPJC]

Hi Eyesee,

No.  Still eleven children.

Louisa's grandson Thomas Alfred CLARK's parents are her daughter Jeannette CLARK and Thomas George CLARK, son of Thomas Ralph CLARK occ Engineer.  They married 08/04/1844 at St Paul's, Shadwell and her father John CLARK was not recorded as deceased.

Regards,

Peter.