Thomas and Elizabeth Sedman in 1861

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hi all

I've decided to resurrect this subject in a new thread as it might engender a bit more interest.
I have previously tried to locate Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holgate/Holdgate) as I believed that she was living alone from her husband of only a few months, viz ...

"Still can't find Elizabeth Sedman in the 1861 census and I've tried everything that I can think of.
She and Thomas only married in November 1860 and I can't work out why they would be apart in the 1861 census; as stated earlier, he is alone at the Talbot Hotel, Queen Street, Scarborough, Yorks. (RG9/3617 Folio: 81 Page: 27) and that is definitely him."

However, I have just looked at the original image of the above Thomas Sedman and it might not be him. The one on that census return is 34, a few years older than my Thomas Sedman should be.
This means that they are probably together somewhere ...

The two people in question are as follows:-
Thomas Sedman: born c1830 at Hawsker, North Yorks. (he is 68 upon his death on 10th August 1898)
Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holgate/Holdgate): born April 1840 at Thornton Dale

I can confirm that in 1871 census they are in Scarborough at 5 Fish Yard (RG10/4816 folio 111 page 44) along with children Mary (b.1863), Margaret Elizabeth (b.1864) and Louisa (b.1866), and in the following census years they are at 6 Fish Yard (1881 and 1891).

But where are they in 1861?
Are they at 5 Fish Yard already? I don't know - I have no way of checking.

Anyone else feel like chipping in at all?

MT

[Isobelruss]

found Fish Yard 1861 on my discs RG9 3617 fol 45 p 7 theres only 1 property
Thomas Bicester?hard to read last name age 66 widower farmer or farrier b Scarborough.its off St Thomas Street.Does this sound like were your Fish Yard was.

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hi Isobel
Thanks for your hard work.
At least you seem to have knocked that theory on the head; one less avenue to explore.

MT

[heywood]

Hello,

Have you found Mary Jane Holdgate in 1861?

Regards

Heywood

[BassinghamTerrier]

Yes, Heywood.
She's in Maltongate, Farmanby, Thornton-le-Dale, Pickering, North Yorks.
RG9/3644 folio 40 page 6

Or so I'm reliably informed ...

MT

[Isobelruss]

I wouldnt discount the Thomas Sedman you found at Talbot Hotel,gives age as 34 post boy but he is married and says son theres a married Elizabeth above him 24 cook could that be his wife?cant make out her name but maybe they didnt like employing married people.

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hmmm ...
The Elizabeth above Thomas Sedman on the 1861 is from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
I really don't think this is our girl.
But I understand your logic in re: not wishing to employ married couples.

MT

[heywood]

Is there any relevant information in your other thread? It would be good to have a link to read.

I wonder too if there were other births/ deaths before Mary which might preoccupy the family at the time of the census?

His age and place of birth seems to change. Who is his father on marriage certificate?

[BassinghamTerrier]

OK, Heywood ...

Here's the link to the other thread -> LINK

On the marriage certificate his father is Thomas Sedman, farmer.

MT