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Title: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Tuesday 22 October 13 13:08 BST (UK)
Hello all,

I am pretty green when it comes to South Australian Research and was wondering if a Rootschatter could help out with a death lookup for me.

I am trying to find details on the death of Richard Griffey (b. 1808 Devonshire) who I believe died in 1885 in Adelaide.

In the Genealogy SA website (http://www.genealogysa.org.au) database search there is an entry in the death index for a:

Richard Griffey - year 1885, reg 148/12, district Adelaide

And Ancestry confirms this with the following entry:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Richard Griffey
Death Date: 20 Jul 1885
Death Place: Adelaide
Age:    77
Residence Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 12
Volume Number: 148
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1808

I would love to know what the details are on the certificate and I understand from State Library of South Australia that deaths of this period are covered in an index with the following details:

1842-1972
Compulsory Civil Registration started in 1842. Death Indexes compiled by the South Australian Genealogy Society are available on CD ROM on the PCs in the Spence Wing, for the date ranges 1842 to 1915 and 1916 to 1972. These include the surname of the deceased, the given names, gender, age, marital status, residence, date and place of death, relative's given names, surname and relationship to the deceased. These CD ROMs can only be searched onsite. Click here to arrange a booking.

Is anyone able to look this index up for me? Or is this the same detail covered in the Ancestry entry?

How much does it cost to buy a certificate in SA? I would love to know what he died from and what he was doing in SA  ;)

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 22 October 13 13:39 BST (UK)
You can get free Adelaide BDM transcriptions here
http://www.gravesecrets.net/adelaide-bdm-free-transcriptions.html

cheers,
  Ros
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: Essie on Tuesday 22 October 13 13:45 BST (UK)
The cd has only these basic details. Early SA death certificates don't have any other useful info.

Richard GRIFFEY aged 77 d. 20.07.1885
Status not recorded
Relative: (not recorded)
Residence and Death Place was Adelaide
Ade/ 148/12

The Biographical Index SA has this entry. (BISA not always accurate)
GRIFFEY Richard b: c1808 ENG d: after 1885
arr: 1861 from VIC 0cc: Seaman res: Adelaide rel: C/E

Essie
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: KentishChris on Tuesday 22 October 13 13:50 BST (UK)
JenClark,

It looks like a death certificate costs $44.75. Quite steep I think!  :P

But as Essie's post says, if early SA death certificates don't have any other useful information, then it may not be worth getting it!

Chris
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Tuesday 22 October 13 21:56 BST (UK)
Hey Ros, Essie & Chris,

Thanks for your replies guys :)

$44.75 does seem a bit steep doesn't it, particularly when there is not much info on the certificates...but the free transcription service for Adelaide looks like a winner! I think I will e-mail them and see what it says ;)

Thanks for the info from the BISA, it is looking more like him. He was a seaman and his sister Mary Jane Perrers (nee Griffey) had emigrated to South Australia in 1859, so he had a reason to head there in 1861. There is a group of Irish Griffey's in Adelaide, so I wanted to make sure he was my Devonshire Richard Griffey...looking good!

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 22 October 13 22:04 BST (UK)
FYI
There are some GRIFFEY in Victoria at that time, but no "activity" is shown on the BMD indexes for Richard.
Sue
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: Bob_SA_Oz on Wednesday 23 October 13 01:17 BST (UK)
Hi Jenny

https://sphere.ocba.sa.gov.au/cgi-bin/fccgi.exe?w3exec=PrepApplic&w3ServerPool=bdmsa

This is the link to apply for a death certificate from SA Government records - cost about AUD$40 (not cheap).

I did a quick search in Trove (http://trove.nla.gov.au/) without success and also Australian Cemeteries (http://www.australiancemeteries.com/) without success.

Regards

Bob
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: cando on Wednesday 23 October 13 02:20 BST (UK)
From my resource.  Marital status was not recorded on death certificates until 1907.

GRIFFEY Richard
20 Jul 1885    77 years  Status not recorded Relative not recorded
Residence Adelaide    Death Place Adelaide   Ade Symbol S  148/12

S. Supplementary Information. Additional unusual information included such as:
·   Previous Residence Listed.
·   Length of Residence in Colony Stated.
·   Deceased Child's Father is Deceased.
·   Deceased Maiden Name is Listed.
·   Junior/Senior of Deceased is listed.
·   Younger Son
·   Prison
·   State Child.
·   Guardian Named.
·   Adelaide Destitute or Lunatic Asylum listed as Residence or Death Place.
·   Unusual Death or amount of information on circumstances of Death.
·   Sister of Church if known as -  religious name stated.
·   Fuller details available re deaths at sea - longitude and latitude.
·   Final names reduced to initials due to space problems
·   Remarriage on post 1906 registrations unusual enough to warrant this.

DEATHS -
1842-1907
    Date of Death
    Name
    Sex
    Age
    Occupation
    Usual Residence
    Cause of Death
    Place of Death
    Informant

Yes there are the volunteers at Goodwood library who will transcribe info from the local register and SA Genealogy research service but there is also this service - half the price of a certified certificate.
http://www.jaunay.com/transcription.html

Mention of a R GRIFFEY in 1865 - there were a number of other GRIFFEYS in SA at the time but none with a given name commencing with an R.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wk9/

An online tree states that Mary Jane GRIFFEY born c1820 died 15 April 1855 aged 34 years at Bideford - address Mills Street, Bideford and her husband remarried in 1856 to either another Mary Jane GRIFFEY/GRIFFEN or Mary PENNETANT before emigrating in 1859.  The Mary Jane PERRERS who died in SA was born c1814 according to her age at death in 1899.

I found this mistranscribed death on free bdm. 

Deaths Jun qtr 1855
PERRENS    Mary Jane         Bideford    5b/368

BISA

PERRERS Jonathan M. C. born c1821 DEV ENG
Arrived 1859 DAVID McIVER
Occupation Carpenter
Religion  Methodist
Married Mary Jane born c1816 [this age is taken from the shipping list]
Children Mary Louisa c1846-, Wm Tardrew c1848-1897, Amelia c1850-, Rickman c1852.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmcivor1859.shtml


Cando


Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 23 October 13 14:19 BST (UK)
Thanks Cando, Bob and Sue  ;)

I will e-mail the Goodwood Library and see what they say first I think, but thanks for the other transcription link.

How intruiging about the 'Symbol S' or supplementary info....I wonder what it is!! Hopefully something interesting that will help me out  ;)

Thanks for the link to the newspaper article mentioning a voter named R Griffey in 1865, it could well be him.

As for the Perrers family, what I had is below:

Mary Jane Griffey - baptism 1 May 1814 to William Griffey & Elizabeth Clark
Mary Jane Griffey & Jonathon Marshall Collins Perrers - marriage Dec Q 1843 Bideford (vol 10, p79)

1851 census - Silver Street, Bideford, Devonshire

Jonathon M C Perrers Head M 29yrs Painter & Glazier b. Holworthy, Devon
Mary Jane Perrers Wife M 29yrs Wife of Painter & Glazier b. Bideford, Devon
Mary Louisa Perrers Dau 5yrs b. Bideford, Devon
William T Perrers Son 2yrs b. Holsworthy, Devon
Amelia Perrers Dau 1yr b. Holsworthy, Devon

So this Mary Jane appears to be born c. 1822, and so does Jonathon Marshall Collins Perrers (who was baptised 19 July 1821 Holsworthy Devon)

I had not seen the second marriage...so assumed that the age was mistranscribed as the shipping record showed:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmcivor1859.shtml

David McIvor, 868 tons, Captain Robert Baillie, from Liverpool 27th August 1859, arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia 28th November 1859

General Emigrants    
Perrers    
Jonathan Marshall Collins Perrers 38yrs  Occ: Carpenter / Painter  Residence: Bideford, Devon    
Mary Jane Perrers (Griffey) 43yrs                   
Mary Louisa Perrers 13yrs                   
William Tardrew Perrers 10yrs                   
Amelia Reb__lea_ Perrers 9yrs                  
Rickman Perrers   7yrs

So that put his wife Mary Jane Perrers (nee Griffey) as born c. 1816, which was a much better match

and her death in SA:

Mary Jane Perrers
Died: 12 Nov 1899
Place: Adelaide
Age:    85yrs (b abt 1814)
Residence: Adelaide
Registered: Adelaide, South Australia (Page 293, Vol 265)


Confirmed in the newspaper:

Newspaper article: The Advertiser, Saturday 18 November 1899
PERRERS--On the 13th November, at Brown street, Adelaide, Mary Jane, dearly-beloved wife of John Marshall C. Perrers, aged 85 years.
 
Which seemed to fit nicely.............

But perhaps she was his second wife and not the mother of his children, who are all born pre-1855? As per the second marriage..

Mary Jane Griffey & Marshall Perrers - Sept Q1856 Bideford (Vol 5b, p905)

What are the chances of someone marrying two women of the same name  :o

I guess that the first Mary Jane Griffey may be a relative and perhaps the second came to assist with the children when his first wife died and they eventually married?? Though I haven't got any other Mary Jane's of the right age in the tree....curious!

Actually now that I think of it, there was a Mary Ann Griffey who is the right age listed with her parents in 1851 that I could not place....perhaps it is the second Mary Jane mistranscribed??

1841 census - Tower Street, Bideford Devon (HO 107 242 12)

William Griffey, age 50, plumber Y
Elizabeth Griffey age 50 Y
George Griffey age 30, painter Y
Mary Jane Griffey age 20, plain worker Y
James Griffey age 20, tin plate worker Y
William Griffey age 15, shoe maker apprentice Y
Thomas Griffey age 15, tailor apprentice Y
James Griffey age 50, mason Y

1851 census - HO107/1895/159 p 20 Tower Street, Bideford Devon

William GRIFFY Head M 67 M Plumber b Bideford Devon (deaf)
Elizabeth GRIFFY Wife M 68 F b Bideford Devon
Mary Ann GRIFFY Daur U 36 F Dau b Bideford Devon
James GRIFFY Lodg W 62 M Mason b Bideford Devon


Perhaps I will try to have Mary Jane Perrers death certificate transcribed as well...it may have a clue!

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: cando on Wednesday 23 October 13 14:40 BST (UK)
I would suggest purchasing the 1856 marriage cert.

Cando
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 23 October 13 14:44 BST (UK)
I might need to Cando to sort this lot out  ;)

I have just found a tree on Ancestry that shows a possible baptism for Mary Jane Griffey (c. 1821)

James & Mary Griffey

Children:
Louisa Griffey 24 May 1816 Bideford
Harriet Griffey 17 Jan 1819 Bideford
Mary Jane Griffey 13 Aug 1820 Bideford

I do have a James Griffey that shows in the census returns below widowed in 1841, 1851 and 1861. He is living with his brother William, my Mary Jane Griffey's father, so the families must have been close....

So Mary Jane Griffey (b 1820) and Mary Jane Griffey (b 1814) could have been cousins then  ::)

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: cando on Wednesday 23 October 13 14:46 BST (UK)
Quote
How intruiging about the 'Symbol S' or supplementary info....I wonder what it is!! Hopefully something interesting that will help me out  ;)
May have died in the Adelaide Destitute Asylum.  Home for the aged and infirm as well as the destitute.  Forerunner of the Magill Old Folks Home.

He isn't buried at West Terrace so could be at any of the church cemeteries of the time.  I will have a look around my resources tomorrow.  Bit late for me now.

We are not permitted to copy and paste information from ancestry.  Advisable to transcribe.

Cando
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 23 October 13 21:53 BST (UK)
Whoops, wasn't aware of that Cando...have tweaked my post ;)

It was pretty late for me too...I have e-mailed the Library so we will see what the deaths soon.

Thanks for checking your resources for me :)

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: cando on Wednesday 23 October 13 23:14 BST (UK)
After failing to find him anywhere else, found he is at West Terrace with a mistranscribed surname.

http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/RecordsSearch.aspx
GIFFEY Richard  74 years
Date of Death 21 July 1885  [this is the date of burial - problem with the headings on their database ::) ]
Last Abode Adelaide
Service Type Burial
Location unknown. 

I wonder if he was buried as a pauper in common ground?

The ACA will correct their database if you notify them with the details from the death registration.

Cando
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Thursday 24 October 13 07:52 BST (UK)
Well spotted!

Just heard back from the library and it looks like he died in the lunatic asylum, North Terrace, Adelaide from lung disease and senile decay.....is the anywhere I can get records from the lunatic asylum?
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: cando on Thursday 24 October 13 09:52 BST (UK)
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/readingroom/aids/asylumcard.html

Cando
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Thursday 24 October 13 12:28 BST (UK)
Thanks Cando, will check it out....are the Destitute Asylum and the Lunatic Asylum the same place then?
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Thursday 24 October 13 13:38 BST (UK)
I have contacted SAGHS and they are going to copy his admission register for the Lunatic Asylum for me for $14, which I think is pretty good  ;D

Just gotta wait till I get my hot little hands on it now, hopefully it will give some more details  ;)
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: cando on Friday 25 October 13 01:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Cando, will check it out....are the Destitute Asylum and the Lunatic Asylum the same place then?

I have found deaths at both institutions as they both housed the aged and infirm.  At times I have found errors with the death information ie death was stated in the lunatic asylum and found it was actually at the destitute asylum....after searching records of both places.  The SLSA holds records as well.

http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=1283&c=613

Cando
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Friday 25 October 13 04:28 BST (UK)
ok cool, will wait and see if he shows up in the Lunatic Asylum records, if not will search in the Destitute Asylum  ;)
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: SimVeith87 on Wednesday 23 October 19 05:51 BST (UK)
Hi JenClark,

I've registered with Roots Chat as I was doing some random research into my father's family tree, and I believe that I may have a connection to you via the Griffey's?

Here is some information that I have:

Jonathon M Perrers (1821-1902) married Mary Jane Griffey (1820-1899) and from there, direct connections are recorded to Marshall H G Perrers, Rickman G Perrers, Alfred Harold Palmer, Amelia R G Perrers, William T G Perrers, Mary L G Perrers, Harry W G Perrers (all offspring...I believe).

We (my sister and I) actually had a professional put together our tree, as it's so complex (as they all are!), so I would love to know if we are actually related through a distant connection :)

My father's last name is Hilton and my married name is Veith :)

Sim

Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 23 October 19 10:08 BST (UK)
Hi Sim, welcome to Rootschat  ;D

If you are related to Mary Jane Griffey, then yes we are distantly related.....the trick is though which Mary Jane Griffey??

Jonathon Marshall Collins Perrers (1821-1902) married two separate Mary Jane Griffey's who were cousins. I think you may have merged them as you have the dates (1820-1899)  ;)

His first wife Mary Jane Griffey (1820-1855) was the daughter of James Griffey and Mary Miller, they married in 1843

His second wife Mary Jane Griffey (1814-1899) was the daughter of William Griffey and Elizabeth Clarke, they married in 1856

James Griffey (1789-1870) and William Griffey (1783-1853) were brothers and were the sons of Richard Griffey and Jane Phillips of Bideford, Devon. I descend from William Griffey and Elizabeth Clarke's son William Perryman Griffey and his wife Joanna Pollard. 

Jonathon's first wife had all 6 of their children - Harry Wilson Perrers (1844), Mary Louisa Perrers (1845), William Tardrew Perrers (1848), Amelia Ribouleau Perrers (1850), Rickman Perrers (1852) and Marshall Haward Perrers (1854)

I have not come across an Alfred Harold Palmer Perrers....so would be interested in what records you have relating to him and his possible link to this family.

If you said your father's last name is Hilton, then do you descend from Amelia Ribouleau Perrers & Henry Hilton? I had not chased this family down much past the 1870's births of their children...would love to know how you fit in. I assume you are still in South Australia? I am in Brisbane myself.

I will also flick you an e-mail so we can exchange info, though a word to the wise the moderators don't like us putting our e-mail addresses in posts, they prefer us to use personal messages as then we aren't at risk of spam  ;)

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: seeking0 on Thursday 24 October 19 18:10 BST (UK)
I think the 1902 obit for Jonathan Perrers just confirms what you already know.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article87820671

In particular that he worked briefly as a painter when he first arrived in SA, and that he was twice married (but no further marriage details).

He and Mary Jane are buried together at West Terrace Cemetery.
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Thursday 24 October 19 22:05 BST (UK)
Hey seeking0, yep that is them  ;)

He was described in Adelaide newspapers in the 1860's as:

M Perrers PAINTER, PLUMBER, GLAZIER, AND PAPERHANGER, Brown-street, Adelaide.

They are buried with their great grandaughter Edith, a grandchild of Amelia Ribouleau Perrers & Henry Hilton.

Burial:
Name: Perrers, Jon Marsh Collins
Date of Death: 24 March 1902
Age: 82 Years
Last Abode:
Service Type: Burial

Name: Perrers, Mary Jane
Date of Death: 14 November 1899
Age: 85 Years
Last Abode:
Service Type: Burial

Name: Palmer, Edith Ribolean
Date of Death: 15 July 1914
Age: 11 Years
Last Abode:
Service Type: Burial

Cemetery: West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide
Section: Road 1 North
Path Number: A1
E/W: W
Site Number: 19

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: judb on Friday 25 October 19 06:28 BST (UK)
Austcemindex has burials for the surname PERRERS at West Terrace Cemetery Adelaide SA.
https://www.austcemindex.com/?family_name=perrers&cemetery=west+terrace

You already have -
Perrers   Jon Marsh Collins, 24 Mar 1902, West Terrace SA, Row and Plot: Road 1 Nth         
Perrers   Mary Jane, 14 Nov 1899, West Terrace SA, Row and Plot: Road 1 Nth

These others have the same surname:
Perrers   Catherine, 13 Feb 1918, Row and Plot: Road 5
Perrers   Rickman, 3 Dec 1931, Row and Plot: Road 5   (JenClark   gives him as a son of Jon and his first wife, b 1852
Perrers   Florence Natheli, 24 Oct 1980,Row and Plot: Eyre         
Perrers   Henry Wilson, 5 May 1932 Row and Plot: Eyre (son of Jon and first wife, b 1844)

Judith         
         
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: seeking0 on Friday 25 October 19 07:39 BST (UK)

He and Mary Jane are buried together at West Terrace Cemetery.

... unfortunately, from the family history point of view, in an unmarked grave.
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Friday 25 October 19 08:29 BST (UK)
Thanks Judith, yep they are our lot  ;)

Except that Harry Wilson Perrers (b 1844) remained in England and died there in 1891, the Harry (Henry) Wilson Perrers that is buried in Adelaide in 1932 is the son of Rickman Perrers and Catherine Dittmar, he was born 1888. Florence Natheli Perrers is his wife.

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: Marakai on Wednesday 22 January 20 11:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Sim, welcome to Rootschat  ;D

If you are related to Mary Jane Griffey, then yes we are distantly related.....the trick is though which Mary Jane Griffey??

Jonathon Marshall Collins Perrers (1821-1902) married two separate Mary Jane Griffey's who were cousins. I think you may have merged them as you have the dates (1820-1899)  ;)

His first wife Mary Jane Griffey (1820-1855) was the daughter of James Griffey and Mary Miller, they married in 1843

His second wife Mary Jane Griffey (1814-1899) was the daughter of William Griffey and Elizabeth Clarke, they married in 1856

James Griffey (1789-1870) and William Griffey (1783-1853) were brothers and were the sons of Richard Griffey and Jane Phillips of Bideford, Devon. I descend from William Griffey and Elizabeth Clarke's son William Perryman Griffey and his wife Joanna Pollard. 

Jonathon's first wife had all 6 of their children - Harry Wilson Perrers (1844), Mary Louisa Perrers (1845), William Tardrew Perrers (1848), Amelia Ribouleau Perrers (1850), Rickman Perrers (1852) and Marshall Haward Perrers (1854)

I have not come across an Alfred Harold Palmer Perrers....so would be interested in what records you have relating to him and his possible link to this family.

If you said your father's last name is Hilton, then do you descend from Amelia Ribouleau Perrers & Henry Hilton? I had not chased this family down much past the 1870's births of their children...would love to know how you fit in. I assume you are still in South Australia? I am in Brisbane myself.

I will also flick you an e-mail so we can exchange info, though a word to the wise the moderators don't like us putting our e-mail addresses in posts, they prefer us to use personal messages as then we aren't at risk of spam  ;)

Jenny

Hi Jenny

I have an Mary Griffey ( 1861-1916)and Michael Considine (d 1926) married at Kapunda South Australia in 1889 . Not sure of her middle name but her parents were Patrick Griffey and Margaret Quigley.
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 22 January 20 12:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Marakai...welcome to Rootschat  ;)

I have had a little look at my Griffey's and unfortunately I don't have any Patrick's in my tree. There are quite a number of Irish Griffey's though, and the name Patrick sounds like it is more likely that he is an Irish Griffey rather than an English one.

Do you have any other information on them?

I can see from the indexes that Patrick Griffey and Margaret Quigley were married in 1857 also in Kapunda, South Australia...do you have the certificate? Does it say where Patrick was from?

Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name:    Patrick Griffey
Father's name:    Andrew Griffey
Spouse Name:    Margaret Quigley
Spouse's Father's Name:    Thomas Quigley
Marriage Date:    16 Feb 1857
Marriage Place:    Kapunda
Registration Place:    Kapunda, South Australia
Page Number:    64
Volume Number:    29

Do you have Mary's birth certificate? I can see the birth of two children to this couple, though Mary's mother is given as Mary not Margaret.

Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:    Andrew Griffy
Birth Date:    20 Apr 1859
Birth Place:    Bakers Flat
Registration Place:    Kapunda, South Australia, Australia
Father:    Patrick Griffy
Mother:    Margaret Quigley
Page Number:    519
Volume Number:    16

Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:    Mary Griffy
Birth Date:    27 Jul 1861
Birth Place:    Kapunda
Registration Place:    Kapunda, South Australia, Australia
Father:    Patk Griffy
Mother:    Mary Quigley
Page Number:    200
Volume Number:    23

I can also see a death for another possible sibling...though not a matching birth

Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name:    Susan Griffy
Birth Year:    abt 1868
Age:    6
Death Date:    01 Jan 1874
Death Place:    Bakers Flat
Residence Place:    Bakers Flat
Father's name:    Patrick Griffy
Registration Place:    Kapunda, South Australia
Page Number:    498
Volume Number:    55

Looks like Andrew died in 1939 and his death notice gives a bit more info....

Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1895 - 1954)
Thu 1 Jun 1939
Page 25
GRIFFEY — On the 29th of May, at Lourde's Valley, Glen Osmond, Andrew Griffey (late of Baker's Flat, Kapunda), son of the late Patrick and Margaret Griffey (nee Quigley) and brother of the late James and Thomas Griffey and the late Mrs. Michael Considine, of Broken Hill. Aged 80 years. Requiescat in pace.

And Patrick died in 1894...do you have his death certificate?

Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name:    Patrick Griffy
Birth Year:    abt 1819
Age:    75
Death Date:    28 Feb 1894
Death Place:    Kapunda
Residence Place:    Kapunda
Registration Place:    Kapunda, South Australia
Page Number:    202
Volume Number:    217

The Genealogy SA site has Margaret Griffey passing in 1916...do you have the certificate?
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/index.php?option=com_gsa&view=gsa&layout=essearch&collection_id=death&page_no=1&Surname=griffey&GivenName=margaret&year_from=&accuracy=

You may already have all this though.....as I see you have a tree on Ancestry

In your tree you mention that Patrick arrived in South Australia on the 'Victoria Regia' in 1855.

I also saw another tree on Ancestry that has Patrick having a half sister Bridget Griffey who died aboard the same ship on 26th August 1855 aged 30yrs of small pox. Do you have the shipping record? This tree also indicates the family are from County Clare, Ireland....though there is no evidence of how they came to this conclusion....

Sounds like the poor thing was the only one to die too...

Adelaide Observer (SA : 1843 - 1904)
Sat 17 Nov 1855
Page 5
THE VICTORIA REGIA -This Government emigrant ship arrived on Monday, after a passage of 110 days, from Plymouth. The total number on board was 283, among whom there were some cases of sickness, and alarming reports were spread; but we learn, however, that Dr. Duncan, the Immigration Agent and Health Officer, did not deem it necessary to place the ship in quarantine, and she is now in the stream under no quarantine restrictions whatever, the only cases of sickness on board being a few of low fever, in which the patients are now decidedly convalescent. The cause of the apprehension felt on shore respecting the health of this vessel has been the fact that a solitary case of smallpox made its appearance during the voyage, and terminated fatally. The general health of those on board is good.

Anyway....that may give you something to chase at least.....good luck  ;D

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 22 January 20 12:50 GMT (UK)
Just saw this reference about Bakers Flat and Kapunda too which might be interesting  ;)

"The occupation of Bakers Flat began in 1854, when many Irish families came to labour at the nearby Kapunda copper mine, and squatted rent-free on the Bakers Flat land. The settlement persisted until at least the 1920s, set apart from the broader community. Although hundreds of Irish people lived there, the written histories document little about the community and, if mentioned at all, the narrative tends to be a stereotypical one based on the widespread perception of the Irish as dirty, wild, drunken and lawless. In large part this negative narrative was probably stimulated by the refusal of the residents to pay rent or allow outsiders into the community, and their resistance to the landowners’ attempts to remove them."

https://australianarchaeology.com.au/journal/the-occuapation-of-bakers-flat/

also

https://dontforgetyourshovel.com/2013/02/22/what-is-this-place-called-bakers-flat/

Jenny
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: Marakai on Wednesday 22 January 20 13:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenny
Nice to meet you

The passenger list is here, there were more deaths than just Bridget http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/victoriaregia1855.shtml

I have only just got back on Ancestry but am not paid up at the moment so trying to sniff around for other info which is how I found Roots.



Name
    Mary Griffy
Birth Date
    27 Jul 1861
Birth Place
    Kapunda
Registration Place
    Kapunda, South Australia, Australia
Father
    Patk Griffy
Mother
    Mary Quigley
Page number
    200
Volume Number
    23
Household Members

    NameAge
        NameMary Griffy
        NameMary Quigley
        NamePatk Griffy



Mary's Death cert info

Name
    Mary Considine
Death Place
    South Australia
Registration Year
    1916-1925
Registration Place
    South Australia
Page number
    312
Volume Number
    431


I am currently trying to find out info on Patrick's Father Andrew Griffey my third great Grandfather, according to what I have found Patrick was a WheelWright when he emigrated to South Australia, I did not know that Bridget was his half sister so thats something new already and thanks.

Patrick was from County Clare, unfortunately for me Griffey/Griffy is a bit like Smith in the UK or Chong in China around those parts as is Pat so chasing them down is a bit difficult. 

Lot's and lot's of Pat's and Andrews as well.

Bakers Flat at Kapunda seems like a home base for Irish and the Griffeys in my Family tree and I was just re-reading that first article this afternoon,  Lynton is another name that pop's up quite often in my Tree as well as a middle name, not sure where that comes from but there was a Lynton Avenue down that way as well.

Thanks again Jenny
Jeff
Title: Re: South Australia Death lookup - Griffey
Post by: JenClark on Thursday 23 January 20 09:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the link to the passenger list, it certainly confirms that a Patrick Griffey from Co. Clare emigrated to South Australia in 1855. From the list I would think that Bridget was his wife not his siter, they are listed in the section for 'families', not the single men and women sections where other siblings are listed.

Does it say on his marriage certificate in 1857 to Margaret Quigley if he was a widower or single? This may help with figuring out if the Patrick Griffey on the passenger list is your chap or not...

The reference to Bridget being his half sister was from an unsourced tree on Ancestry and may be a red herring.

Unfortunately death certificates in SA do not give much detail regarding birthplace or parents names. Nor do marriage certificates from that time give mother's names or birthplaces.

Perhaps your best plan of attack is to see if you can find a marriage in Co. Clare for Patrick Griffey and Bridget...

I can see a couple of possibilities immediately....though neither may be correct

One for Patrick Griffey & Bridget Fitzgerald a couple of months before the ship sailed..

Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name:    Patrick Griffy
Gender:    Male
Event Type:    Marriage
Marriage Date:    15 May 1855
Marriage Place:    Ruan, County Clare, Ireland
Parish Variants:    Dysart, Ruan and Dysart
Diocese:    Killaloe
Spouse:    Bridget Fitzgerald

There are online images of the registers at the link below if you can't access the ones on Ancestry. It doesn't give much more information on them other than their names and a couple of witnesses though.

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0783

Some info on Ruan, if this ends up being your chap ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruan,_County_Clare


And one in 1838 when your Patrick would have been about 19 years old...though the 30yr old Bridget dying in 1855 may be too young for this one...

Patrick Griffey & Bridget Halleran

Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name:    Pat Griffy
Gender:    Male
Event Type:    Marriage
Marriage Date:    Feb 1838
Marriage Place:    Doora and Kilraghtis, County Clare, Ireland
Parish Variants:    Barefield, Doora, Doora and Kilreaghtis, Dury, Dury, Templemaly and Kilbraghtis, Kilbraghtis, Kilraghtis, Kilreaghtis, Templemaly
Diocese:    Killaloe
Spouse:    Bridg Halleian

I see what you mean though...Griffey/Griffy is pretty common in County Clare!

You've got your work cut out for you  ;)

Jenny