Help finding parents - Jones family of Ty Isa in Corwen/Glyndyfrdwy area

[despair]

In what context/document does Bodginvel appear?

Regards
Roger

[jones9]

Roger,

Here's the link: http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/datrhagorolnet/RhestrEitem.aspx?iaith=en&rhif_archif=12&rhif_rhiant=61907&maint_testun=100&cyferbyniad=

I'm curious about where this place is now - I'm just pursuing the line to eliminate possibilities and bodginvel doesn't appear to be a real place - there are a lot of transcription errors on this website though.

[despair]

The previous item(XD2/964) to your link features the same person with an interest in the township of Ddol.I suspect this may be the same as Dol ac Aberalwen which features in the 1841 census of Corwen district,again approximately Clawdd Poncen.
You did mention previously,I think a Waen Fawr.This is in Dol ac Aberalwen in the  1841 census occupied by Robert Jones,given born 1781(no doubt rounded).
I can't find a Bodginvel yet but this seems to possibly be the right area.
The items are from 1597,so plenty of time for significant variants or change of name.I suspect it is a property name,but have no evidence.

Regards
Roger

[jones9]

Roger,

I've looked up Robert Jones baptisms and found one in 1778, son of John Jones of WaenFawr - most likely the son of the same John Jones of Waen Fawr who I mentioned earlier.

I think that Griffith ap Thomas was of Dol - most likely DolAberalwen like you say, but then his father was of this Bodginvell place. As I said this could all be the wrong line but in the interest of eliminating the line or anything else I'm curious if whether this place could be somewhere else either locally or otherwise.

I'll update this thread if I find anything else!

[despair]

I can only find one other reference to Bodginvel at the moment.It is in a document of 1738 in the "Archives and Manuscripts"(archives catalogued before 1999-same page as Wales Marriage bonds option) at NLW
It refers to a property "Tyddyn Tu Hen in Bodginvel"
From previous experience the link might not work:
http://isys.llgc.org.uk/isysquery/irl37a9/1/doc#hit1

Regards
Roger

[jones9]

Thanks for finding this. It doesn't give any indication of which county it's in does it? Looking through I can't see anything but just making sure I haven't missed anything.

If you search for Tyddyn Hen in oldmaps the nearest place to Corwen is Llanwrst. There are quite a few others but no Tyddyn Tu Hens. I'm not a Welsh speaker but I think  'tu' or 'ty' means house, so it may be normal practice to refer to the place as Tyddyn Tu Hen in a document, with reference specifically to the house, but for it to be known as "Tyddyn hen" - still it doesn't narrow down the possibilities!

It doesn't seem to be anywhere in Meriontheshire anyway. Just as a suggestion, perhaps it might yield more results if you search for Bodginfel instead of Boginvel. I've tried this myself but haven't had any luck although I may be looking in the wrong places.

Many thanks,
Jones9

[jones9]

Update to last: I've just found it! I searched for Bodginfel at NLW and a spelling suggestion was Bodgynvell which seems the standard spelling.

I'm on my phone at moment as don't have Internet access so can't look it up right now but hopefully this will have more success!

[despair]

In the same "Archives and Manuscript" using Bodyngvel,this hit

http://isys.llgc.org.uk/isysquery/irl399d/1/doc#hit2

perhaps suggests it's in the parish of Gwyddelwern("Gwythelwern")

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Another hit references "Clegir and Bodgynvel".In the 1841 census there are a few "Clegir ..."" addresses in Gwyddelwern parish,and in "old-maps" Clegir Ucha,for example,is listed under Betws Gwerfil Goch.

Regards
Roger