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I'm researching the ELDER family who worked on Old Raploch Farm near Stirling. Thomas ELDER, born in Balquhidder in 1779, died there in 1863. He was staying with his son Peter ELDER, who was born at Port of Menteith in 1810 and died at Raploch farm bewteen 1881 and 1891.
Peter's death does not appear on the Scotlands people site.
other members of the same family are Thomas Elder, born in Menteith in 1801, grocer in Kilsyth. John Elder, Menteith 1812, colliery grieve in Polmont in Stirling.
Anyone with more info on these members of this particular ELDER family, please let me know. Especially if you know who the parents of Thomas Elder are - the mother is Alexandrina WAKINSHAW, but was he illegitemate?
Charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
There is a christening entry on IGI for Thomas Snr, an actual extract from the OPRs:
THOMAS ELDER Christening: 19 DEC 1779 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
Parents: Father: THOMAS ELDER Mother: ALEXANDRINA WALKINSHAW
Whether they were married or not, I can't tell. I cannot see any other children showing for them or a marriage to confirm either way :-\
Regards.
Monica
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Thanks Monica,
I had a look at the baptismal record, but the entry for Thomas looks different from the others.
There's also the issue that a Alexandrina Wakinshaw gets married in Port of Mentieth to John Thomson in 1791, where is where young Thomas shows up and marries himself 10 years later.
I do have his death entry, but from that it appears that he was married to jean McWhannell and that his father too was married to a Jean McWhannell. That last name is a nightmare as the name of the mother appears as McDonald on all the birth entires, but is spelled as: McWhannel, McDuanel and McWhanney.
Makes you wonder about the accent.
Anyway, thanks for that and if you ever come across a stray Elder from Raploch please let me know.
Charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
Thomas's DC in 1863 is hard to read isn't it! More importantly, I wonder if son-in-law Michael may have misreported details regarding the surname of both Thomas's wife Jane and his mother's surname (not uncommon). Both as you say look the same.
Thomas's details on IGI (marriage and children's births) clearly show Jane as MacDonald. Have you looked at some of the children's DCs, what do they show for mother's maiden name? From the census info for Thomas, it looks like Jane wife had died by the 1841 census. If she had been dead for some time, it may explain the vagueness about her surname.
You have an actual extract for Thomas's birth with father as Thomas and mother as Alexandrina. I agree the birth could have been illegitimate and would explain Alexandrina's marriage some 10 or so years later (or she could have been widowed early and remarrying).
I wish I could see something more definitive for you but as it is, I think I am just treading the same steps as you....
Which is you line, is it Peter? How has he been transcribed on his DC index is hard to say, he certainly not jumping out :'(
Thomas son had an inventory following his death in 1889:
Elder Thomas 07/10/1889 merchant in Kilsyth, d. 15/07/1889 at Kilsyth, testate, spouse is Helen Mason or Elder Inventory; Extract Registered Trust Disposition and Settlement; Codicils Stirling Sheriff Court SC67/36/90
I'll keep an eye out and see if anything new jumps out :) I assume you have the early census info for them, if not let me know.
Regards.
Monica
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Charlotte
Just had a thought, don't know how practical it may be, depending on your location. Regarding Thomas's birth, as per the OPR entry for 1779 in Balquhidder, Perth. You might want to check the Kirk Session Minutes for Balquhidder to see whether, if the birth of Thomas was illegitimate, there may be some record of it (more likely the sin by his parents ::)) in the Kirk Session Minutes. See this link:
www.stirling.gov.uk/church_records
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Monica
thanks for all that.
Thomas Elder was my great great great grandfather, through his son James, born in Menteith in 1818. I have most of the information from then to the present day of most of the family, but I can't get back any further. Not with the Elders or the McDonalds.
Intriguingly a David Elder died at Raploch Farm in 1862: fishery officer at Island of Westray, Orkney; then at Helmsdale, and lately resided at Raploch, spouse of Janet Robertson or Elder.Davids family later emigrated to new Zealand or there abouts. My theory is that he must have been related to the "Raploch Elders", why would he be visiting them otherwise? He and his family were planning to emigrate at te time and I think he went to say farewell.
Question then is: who is the connection? I can't find further details for David either. All very unsatisfactory.
Charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
David Elder's place of birth from his 1851 census entry in Sutherland with his family is showing as Soulithyon, West Indies 8), by 1861 it's changed to the not so exotic West Lothian, Linlithgow!
Regards.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
I've found David's birth, he was born 26/11/1794 in Linlithgow as the son of David Elder and Hannah Jamieson. I've checked their other offspring but there's no Thomas amongst them.
So I just don't know where to go to find the relationship between the two. Any suggestions?
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Hi Monica,
I revisited the Scotlandspeople site again and found a marriage for Thomas Elder from "Port" to Jean McIlchonnel in Comrie, in 1801. The date is 2 days of the registration in Port of Mentieth.
Looking at the writing it looks like McWhannel and I think I've gotten back a little further ;D
Jean is the daughter of Pet McIlchonnel and his wife Chirstan, "begot in furnication" and the birth was registered on 20th December 1775, which is the day Pet and Christan got married.
And there's was me thinking that only my Dutch rellies did these things....
Thanks for making me rethink things.
Charlotte
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My ARGYLL research page for ELDER has:
a THOMAS ELDER b. in BALQUHIDDER:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Argyll.htm
LDS PERTHSHIRE christenings printout from OLD PARISH REGISTERS
Thomas ELDER
christening
19 Dec 1779
Balquhidder
Parents:
Thomas ELDER
and
Alexandrina Walkinshaw
Ancestry.com
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1851 ARGYLL Census
Name: Thomas Elder
Age: 74
Estimated birth year: abt 1777
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Balquhidder, Perthshire
Parish Number: 540
Civil parish: Kilchoman
County: Argyll
Address: Gruinard Mill Croft
Occupation: Farmer Of 8 Acres
ED: 5
Page: 1 .
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_114
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Carmichael 4
Martha Carmichael 35
Thomas Elder 74
Christina McEachern 15
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also found ELDER in CAMPBELTOWN, ARGYLL
in
"CAMPBELTOWN LIFE" by Donald Keith
http://www.dkeith.clara.co.uk/campbeltownlife/part9.htm
Alec ELDER's bike shop (about 1945, during WWII):
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One warm summer's day I decided to hire a bike and proceeded to
Elder's shop. Within the owner was hunched over a bike, re-spoking a
wheel. As I entered he looked up sharply.
"Whit dae ye want wee boy?" he asked, spitting a stream of tobacco
juice on the floor.
"Can I hire a bike for an hour."
Elders eyes gleamed. "Whurs yer shullin?" he asked, "av got tae be
carefu fur rascals can slip awa wie a bike an no pey me"....
--Nancy Elder Petersen
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Host, ELDER DNA project
of Houston, Texas
DNA results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ELDER
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Hi NancyElder,
thanks for that information. I knew that Thomas was in Kilchoman in 1851, the question is why? He's in his 70s and his married daughter Martha Carmichael and her daughter are staying with him, but her husband isn't. larer, in 1861 they are all living near Stirling again.
I have been unable to establish a family link between Thomas ELDER and the other Argyll Elders.
He's from Perthshire, but lives in this relatively small area between Port of Menteith and Stirling for most of his life.
The stay in Islay is puzzling to say the least. Do you have any other information that may tie him to the Elders in Campbeltown? Although both Kilchoman and Campbeltown are in Argyll, they are not close by and separated by water.
Greenvalley
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Sorry, no more connections found,
but did see a current ELDER name--I wonder if Dr. Malcolm R. ELDER
would help:
His Campbeltown address:
at
http://www.totaltravel.co.uk/travel/scotland/strathclyde/kintyre/listing/shopchemists/10789204
List of GP's - Dr. MALCOM R ELDER
Address
Carradale
Argyll
Campbeltown Argyll PA28 6QG
UK
Phone number:
01583 431376
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SEARCHING ELDER and TARBERT town
found:
http://www.lochgilphead.org/maguides/divisionnews.html
Girlguiding Argyll
Mid Argyll Division
Tarbert District Changes
Mary ELDER has taken over from Margaret Soudan
as District Commissioner for Tarbert District.
She will also be job sharing the Division Commissioner function with Rowena Ranger.
See e-mail contacts for Mary ELDER.
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and
Dr. ELDER of Carradale, Campbeltown -2006
NHS Highland
Argyll & Bute CHP Management Team Meeting
22 August 2006
Lorn & Islands District General Hospital, Oban
"9.1.2 GP Out of Hours " (OOH) (maybe emergency hours?)
..."John also advised that currently there is no provision for a GP OOHs in
the Carradale and Skipness area. The GPs in Campbeltown currently do
not wish to take on the provision of cover for this area, a meeting has
been arranges with the Campbeltown GPs for September. Meantime Dr
Elder has agreed to continue to provide OOH cover. "
Also:
Carolyn Shearer, of Franklin County Pennsylvania sent me a note about
our ELDER research in Pennsylvania- -as possible connection in ARGYLL.
She wrote:
>Was doing some data entry on the Sharps of Cumberland Co, PA.
All the old bios agree that Thomas Sharp 'born Ireland' married Margaret Elder. I was doing some searching on the LDS site, to see what anyone said about their marriage date.
Could not find it, but did get a hit on the baptisms of the first 5 children.
They were all baptized in Campbelltown, Argyll, Scotland.
Maybe they were not Scotch Irish after all, but Scots straight from Scotland. ..
The Campbelltown baptisms read like a census of early Cumberland and Franklin Co's: Elders, Stewarts, Witherspoon, Alexanders, Armour, Barr etc.
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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Hi Nancy
thanks for that :)
I have all the lines (well most of them) of Thomas ELDER, born 1779 in Balquhidder and his offspring for quite some time and my own line to the present. (Minus some rellies who went to Canada in the beginning of last century. We misplaces their address.
The real question is where his parents Thomas ELDER and Alexandrina WAKINSHAW came from. I can't find a marriage for the pair or any other previous information. If you look at the birth registration the text infers that the couple weren't married, or that's what I think. It reads
Alexandrina Wakinshaw late in Glenbeich had her child baptised and called Thomas in ???? she fathers upon Thomas Elder in Glenbeich
If the David Elder who dies in Raploch farm in 1862 is a relation, then it must come from the missing father's side.
Which is the link I can't find.
I hope this still makes sense to you.
Greenvalley
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Thanks for the added info! Could the missing location be
"Comrie Parish Church?" I love the Scotland maps!
Google.com for "Glenbeich" - found map including Balquhidder
in Comrie Parish - PERTHSHIRE
at
http://www.stilwell.co.uk/show_town.asp?Q=bb%7CL4133222
and
COMRIE PARISH CHURCH
at
http://www.perthpresbytery.org.uk/churches/churches.php?id=12
"Comrie Parish Church has its origins in mediaeval times.
The present congregation occupies what was the second Free Church building to be erected in Comrie, dating from 1881.
The site, on the bank of the River Earn, is a particularly attractive one. The parish stretches half way to Crieff, to the East, and half way to St. Fillans, to the West. The congregation enjoys good relationships with the smaller congregations of the Scottish Episcopal Church and Roman Catholic Church in the village."
Burrell Street
Comrie Perthshire PH6 2JP
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--Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, Washington State, USA
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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Thanks Nancy,
No, the missing location isn't Comrie Parish church - in those days Balquhidder and Comrie were 2 distinctive parishes.
I found his on the Scottish national Archives
tMemorandum of a tack of lands of easter and wester Glenbeichs by James Goodlatt Campbell of Auchlyne to "Thomas and Thomas Elder - dated 15 April 1777
This is about the time that Thomas ELDER was born, and I assume that one of the Thomases mentioned is the father. Problem is, I can't find them anywhere. :-[ :-[
It looks like the were never born....
I also found the marriage of a William ELDER in Balquhidder in 1797. He's from Balquhidder and his bride Margaret McDONALD is from Comrie, but no entry of a birth for William Elder either.
William and Margaret later have a child, Thomas Elder, born 22/4/1798 and the registration says that the couple in form Glenbeich. I therefore don't doubt that these Elders are related to my illegitimate Thomas, but as I said, they keep disappearing.
It seems that every time I discover another Elder the trail immediately goes cold again. Very annoying indeed.
Greenvalley
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That's exactly the feeling I've been having with the Scots in Pennsylvania,
and their descendants, so I asked my brother to help with the DNA study.
We have lots of ELDER lists with "brick walls" all around!
Hoping to find more ELDER families in Scotland to help with DNA.
A new Genealogy DNA lab will open in Glasgow Caledonian University
on June 14, 2007. May be more "matches" there!
ELDER DNA Case Study as of May 2007:
"ELDER DNA ANALYSIS finds differences in ELDER lines."
Looking at the "PETER ELDER of Virginia" list, where the
DNA kits for descendants of "SAMUEL ELDER d. 1811 Meigs Co TN"
ARE NOT MATCHING DNA of 4 "PETER ELDER" kits.
SAMUEL ELDER's descendants have
4 MATCHES with "FRANKLIN CO PA"
(using authoritative PA kits, 20 kits total are matching)
see Tennessee, Kentucky and Arkansas matches to FRANKLIN CO PA:
"WILLIAM ELDER" b. 1780 m. Rebecca Cate as
Ancestor of Ann ELDER POE,
(ELDER DNA kits #13706, #23663 as Sevier Co TN)= "Franklin Co PA"
brother
"John S. ELDER" b. 1782 m. Nancy Sullins as
Ancestor of John Silas ELDER b. 1845 TN d. 1913 AR = "Franklin Co PA"
(ELDER DNA kit #85035)
brother
"Jacob ELDER" d. 1818 KY as
Ancestor of (ELDER DNA kit #20638)= "Franklin Co PA"
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DIFFERENT DNA:
ELDER DNA of "PAXTANG" (Harrisburg) PA is very different from
"FRANKLIN CO PA" and "PETER ELDER" groups.
(5 DNA kits of matching "I=ISLES VIKING DNA in PAXTANG group)
See ELDER surname DNA group charts for codes matching DNA:
MENU: Click Y-RESULTS
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
ANALYSIS:
GROUP A = "FRANKLIN CO PA" = (R1b1 Haplogroup)
ELDER DNA kits of Franklin Co PA - match each other
at
13 24 15 10 10 14 12 12 12 13 13 29
GROUP B.= "PETER ELDER" = (R1b1 Haplogroup)
4 kits of ELDER DNA of "PETER ELDER" - match each other
at
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30
GROUP C.= "PAXTANG PA" = (I ISLES) Haplogroup- VIKING DNA
ELDER DNA kits of "PAXTANG ELDER" - match each other 12/12
at
15 24 15 10 15 16 11 13 11 13 12 29
DNA analysis reports:
Group A and B have less than 2% chance of relationship to each other
while
GROUP A and B have NO (0%) relationship to Group C.
This is a quite different conclusion than many of the
ELDER family stories and histories we find in libraries,
which often describe these groups as closely related.
I'm beginning to think that more of the women of ELDER families
were related, to make some of the stories ring true.
_________________
Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, WA USA
Retired Librarian
D.A.R. Member #833222
Rev. War Soldier, Robert ELDER (1730-1807) Franklin Co PA
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Hi Nancy
thanks for that info.
Unfortunately I don't have a drop of Elder blood in my veins and I doubt very much that any of my in-laws would be willing to take part.
They don't have the genealogy bug like me, you see.
Greenvalley
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I'm hoping that some Glasgow DNA announcement publicity will help!
Nancy wrote (May 9, 2007):
TO: Dr Kiain Balloch
Post Doctoral Reseach Fellow
Centre for Forensic Investigation
School of Life Sciences Charles Oakley Labs
Glasgow Caledonian University
Dear Dr. Balloch,
RE: LORD THOMAS MURRAY ELDER, of Fife Scotland, House of Lords.
An online article with political names supporting
Gordon Brown, on May 9, 2007, titled:
"Who's in Whose Camp" -- mentions "LORD (MURRAY) ELDER"
Would it be possible to send a Y-DNA kit to LORD MURRAY ELDER,
asking him to help announce the opening of the DNA lab
at Glasgow Caledonian University, and to compare his Y-DNA with the
current FamilyTreeDNA ELDER project?
Hope that helps!!
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ELDER
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Found another current ELDER entry online
posted at
ISLE OF SKYE - notes
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/ColinElderOfSkye.htm
List of Craftsmen:
http://www.dswa.org.uk/professionals/regions/scotland.htm
Medium level Craftsmen
ELDER, COLIN
TEL: 01470 511752
16 Lower Milovaig,
Glendale,
Isle of Skye,
IV55 8WR
Location near: Vacation Cottage at Glendale - maps:
at
http://www.skyeselect.com/index.htm
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ELDER History on Isle of Skye:
Xerox sent by Ann M. MacKinnon, Curator,
Clan Donald Library & Museum of the Isles
Armadale, Sleat, Isle of Skye, Scotland
From Book:
Maccowan, Roderick.
The men of Skye.
Glasgow, 1902.
Page 201-203.
COLIN ELDER
"Colin Elder was a worthy man. He occupied the farm of Knock, Sleat,
on a lease from Lord MacDonald, at the annual rent of upwards of L400.
His father came to Skye, and occupied the shop at Isle Ornsay, one of the
oldest commercial establishments in Skye. In the connection, the word,
"Going to Isle Ornsay to buy tea," became a proverb in the district.
On the death of his father, Colin took the farm, and, owing to his social position, he was of great service to the Church in his day.
"We made his hospitable mansion our resting-place," says Dr. Beith,
"and not a little enjoyed the intelligent converse of a man who,
although living a most retired life, was a thorough classical scholar,
and alumnus of Marischall College, Aberdeen, and well read in all modern literature.
One of his sons is the present minister of Woolwich, of the English Presbyterian Church."....
In Sleat there were several God-fearing men.
We give the names of some of them--Donald MacClure, a godly catechist;
John MacIntosh, elder; Colonel Elder, of Knock, elder; Ewan MacDonald, Tarskavaig; John MacKinnon, Ardavaser; John MacPherson, and Malcolm MacInnes...."
Note on Chart for John Elder, born about 1766. Married Margaret MacBean
Children: Jane, Elizabeth, Georgina, Colin, b. about 1798,
Alexander Macdonald Elder, Mary Mackinnon Elder,
John Benjamin Elder.
"There is mention in the "Inverness Journal" that indicates that Colin was most probably in Kyleakin in the 1820s.
We have found mention of him there in the 1830's.
More SCOTLAND histories:
JOHN ELDER, cartographer, born in Caithness in 1500's,
contributed to publication of:
MERCATOR ATLAS OF EUROPE
see:
http://www.walkingtree.com/excerptbarber.html
Sailing Directions For The North Coast, by George Watson
http://www.caithness.org/history/articles/sailingdirections.htm
...."The most likely candidate was John Elder,
who was born in Caithness and was brought up In Skye and Lewis.
In 1543 Elder sent a letter and a 'plotte' or map of Scotland to King Henry VIII. As a cartographer he is
likely to have had the type of information which Lindsay needed."
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Hello,
I've been asked by someone who does not have Internet access to help them to try and find other researchers of the following family. Is anyone able to tell me whether the Elder family on this thread is connected to the David Elder below? It’s a bit difficult for me to work out whether there is a connection or not as I’m not related to this family and I don’t have all the facts.
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In our ELDER DNA project, we have Sutherland County matches
for DNA kits, but I don't have a confirmed paper trail.
I'll be happy to talk to anyone researching ELDER surnames.
Scotland DNA Webpage (ELDER kits posted on "R1b" and "I"=Viking charts)
at
http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm
DNA NEWS:
FamilyTreeDNA officers from Houston, Texas,
will be attending the Edinburgh Scottish Clan Gathering 2009.
Hope they can find more ELDER DNA connections for us!
E-mail me anytime!
--Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, Washington State, USA
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see ELDER Y-Results chart for FamilyTreeDNA.com:
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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I stumbled upon this thread in the course of a general web search. I'm hoping that GreenValley is still listening for replies.
My interest is drawn by the following post from '07 (Post #5):
"Intriguingly a David Elder died at Raploch Farm in 1862: fishery officer at Island of Westray, Orkney; then at Helmsdale, and lately resided at Raploch, spouse of Janet Robertson or Elder.Davids family later emigrated to new Zealand or there abouts. My theory is that he must have been related to the "Raploch Elders", why would he be visiting them otherwise? He and his family were planning to emigrate at te time and I think he went to say farewell."
The David Elder in question was my Gt-Gt-Grandfather. I am descended from one of his sons who emigrated to New Zealand in the 1850-60s. David Elder, his wife and eldest daughter Jane Kerr elder were planning to come to New Zealand also. However, all three died within the space of 12 months. Five of the family - 3 sons and 2 daughters - settled in New Zealand and we have full records of their families here. In fact one of my cousins is about to publish a family history in June '09.
I would be very interested to hear from GreenValley to explore the possibility that our lines are linked. It would certainly seem so as we believe David Elder was taken in by the family at Raploch Farm during his final illness.
Ron Elder
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Hi Ron,
I hope Greenvalley is able to tell you more, too!
I'd also like to hear more about the soon-to-be-published genealogy.
It would be great if you could help us with the ELDER DNA project.
Let me know if you are interested.
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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Mention of STIRLINGSHIRE recently found in County DONEGAL IRELAND research:
Posting notes
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/DonegalBurnfoot.htm
ROBERT ELDER of BURNFOOT, Co DONEGAL -
and STIRLINGSHIRE SCOTLAND
at
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/PATTERSON/2000-10/0972140029
From: "T. David Elder"
Subject: [PATTERSON-L] PATTERSON & ELDER IN PENNSYLVANIA
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:20:05 -0400
>Hi Ann and Listers,
>I would like to identify the origin of Elizabeth "Mary" PATTERSON
(father William) who was born in the lowlands of Scotland (probably
near Glasgow) about 1700-1708 and married Thomas ELDER either there
or in County Antrim near Lough Neagh, Ireland.
From there they immigrated to PA about 1730-1733 where they settled in Paxtang, PA.
Thomas ELDER left a will dated 8 May 1751 and probated 3 Aug 1752. I
would like to know more about this branch of the Patterson family.
>Thanks for your help,
Dave
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From: Catherine Harwood
Subject: Re: [PATTERSON-L] PATTERSON & ELDER IN PA
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:53:49 -0400
References: <v04210101b611559828cd@[209.252.32.9]>
> Hi Dave and Listers
..... >I have a Thomson Family genealogy table prepared by John James Elder
born at Ashgrove, Castlefin, County Donegal, November 5, 1859.
He died in Toronto,Ontario. I don't know when.
His father, Andrew married a Thomson of Moyle, Co. Donegal.
>I am a Patterson, presently of Ottawa, Ontario, whose GG grandfather,
John Patterson, of Rubbleshinney, Milford, Donegal (b. Oct. 10, 1814)
married another Thomson sister. I can account for the Pattersons of this marriage.
>John was the son of William Patterson. He married Sarah Jane Gallagher.
>That is as far as I can go with my Pattersons, right now. The Elders and
Pattersons in this case are cousins.
>The author of this genealogy identifies his Elder family as being
descended from Robert Elder of Stirlingshire who settled at Burnfoot,
Ireland before 1700.
>Is this of interest to anyone? Would love to hear from you.
Catherine
Nancy's note:
Egles' book (ELDER chapter of "PENNSYLVANIA GENEALOGIES") lists:
4. iii. Thomas, b. 1708; m. Mary Patterson, dau. of William Patterson, of Paxtang. "
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Using Google.com, searched for CASTLEFIN and COUNTY DONEGAL
found webpage by EJ BORIS - including ELDER names in County Donegal
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ejboris/pafn26.htm
and chart with ELDER of Castlefin
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ejboris/jjelder_p10_11.jpg
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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Hello,
I was searching for members of the Elder family who settled in Doune, Perthshire at 52 Main Street, Doune, the owner Thomas Elder was well thought of in the area, and there's a display in the Kinlmadock Heritage Centre (located at 52 Main Street, Doune) to his achievements and memory, as I've researched the Elder Families in Lanarkshire & West Lothian, and the display showed that Thomas had been born in Armadale, West Lothian, I thought he could be connected to the Elder families I've been researching - but not that I can find....... But he does seem to be of the line that you are researching!! Here's the little I found on him and his family: regards .... Meg
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Wow, you found quite a lot !!
Unfortunately we have not yet been able to establish the link between our family and Thomas Elder - apart from the fact that my Gt-Gt-Grandfather David Elder died in his house! It seems he went to the Stirling area upon his retirement but we don't know the extent of family connections that might have prompted that move.
Our other family links are with the Linlithgow area where David Elder's father (also David Elder) was married in 1788 and all of his children were born.