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Title: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 02:44 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have undertaken the search for our family roots on behalf of myself and  my two brothers. I have been reading all I can and surfing the web trying to find information on my grandfather Edward George Taylor.

Hew as born on the 7th December 1902 - but where we do not know- and died on 12 October 1968 in Singapore.
He is buried there. _ I have had no luck tracing via Singapore

He was married to Connie Jane Batchelor.

We know he was sent as a POW to the Thailand Death Railway to work during WW2.

He has a brother who is quite well known... actor /film producer Donald F J Taylor who was born in 1920 on December 13/14  and died  on 29 December in 1998.

I can find some info on my great granduncle Don but nothing of my grandad. As he had a common name there are lots of links that come up but dont fit him...

any ideas anyone.....no one living ie my dad can give me any info

thanks
whiskerssue
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Victor Harvey on Wednesday 22 February 12 07:51 GMT (UK)
Hi,
FreeBMD lists only 2 births in the December Quarter of 1902:-
TAYLOR Edward George, 1902 Shaftesbury 5a 197 Dec Qtr
TAYLOR Edward George, 1902 Bristol 6a 106 Dec Qtr
He must be one of these.
Victor
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: gortonboy on Wednesday 22 February 12 08:13 GMT (UK)
similar thread here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,583201.msg4346697.html#msg4346697
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 22 February 12 08:17 GMT (UK)
Do you have any idea where Edward & Connie married?

I can't find a match TAYLOR/BATCHELOR on FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Obtaining their marriage certificate would give you his  father's name & occupation and may help find him on 1911 census - we cannot do look ups but it's free to search and you need credits to view

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

EDIT

Thanks gortonboy - that answers the question about the marriage  :)

perhaps these two topics can be merged by the moderator as to avoid any duplication
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 08:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for the help...

the problem I have had is where to look...?

I posted in the Welsh thread too as I was told we had welsh roots...

I think they could have been married in Singapore....my uncle was born there maybe a year later in 1936? so they married in 1935?

I can look up on ancestry .com..( I have some credits ). but don't know what to look under ...sorry I have just started out on this...

His younger brother was born in the US in 1920...and I have found some document of a George Edward Taylor arriving in San Francisco on 30 June 1920 on a ship called Eurymachus. He was aged 17 - and that kind of matches with his birth date age....

forgot to add that ship left from Singapore port

but how to be sure?


but how then does he end up in Singapore again to marry grandma..???

gosh they dont stay put huh??

I should talk I am writing now from a high country sheep station in the wilds of New Zealand!!!

I am so grateful for the direction ...(((hugs)))
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 08:36 GMT (UK)
Hi
Sorry for the duplication...was not sure which one to post in...can I ammend the posts..???
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 22 February 12 08:52 GMT (UK)
I wonder if you don't get any luck with Edward if Donald's family would have any information on their parents

You've probably seen this on Donald's life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Taylor_%28actor/director%29
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 09:02 GMT (UK)
Yes I have...It was wonderful to see him ( picture) for the first time...the only other pic I have of his is in grandpa's wedding pic....he was very young.

my partner and I were even looking at the flowers in the wedding for clues...!!

I know even less of Uncle Donald's family - only heard about him after he died and we were contacted by lawyers...I think I have his social security no in the US...( Donald's)   - will that give me info on my grandad ( ie mutual parents) ??
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Wednesday 22 February 12 09:50 GMT (UK)
Hi

When you were contacted by the Lawyer's did they explain how they found that you were related to Donald, surely they would have done some Genealogy to come to this conclusion????

Margp
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 22 February 12 10:08 GMT (UK)
http://byarkivet.langelandkommune.dk/Dengodehistorie/Madslange/Gammel%20stamtavle

Have you seen this, it`s not the answer to your question, but does have information about Alleyne .

Evelyn Cecilia Elizabeth Lange, b. 15/06-1938, SINGAPORE, m. 26/12-1957, Alleyne Junius Dauphus Taylor, b. 07/01-1935, SINGAPORE, d. 13/11-2002, they had 4 children
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 22 February 12 11:33 GMT (UK)
I know even less of Uncle Donald's family - only heard about him after he died and we were contacted by lawyers...I think I have his social security no in the US...( Donald's)   - will that give me info on my grandad ( ie mutual parents) ??

family search gives following info. Don Taylor birth 13 Dec 1920 death age 78 15 Dec 1998 Sanata Monica Los Angeles 90402 SSN 193-18-1298

you can order this from A*****y (com) - who knows it may contain his parents names or his mother's maiden name

The SSDI contains the following info:
Social Security number,
Surname,
Given Name,
Date of Death,
Date of Birth,
Last Known Residence
Location of Last Benefit
Date and Place of Issuance

The Social Security number is often a piece of information genealogists ...
the number leading to a discovery of a birth place, a maiden name, or parents’ names.

Finding a birth and death date and Social Security number can help in a request for a death certificate or obituary.

As Donald was born in Dec 1920 he won’t be on 1920 US census perhaps you could try 1930 US census

Hi

When you were contacted by the Lawyer's did they explain how they found that you were related to Donald, surely they would have done some Genealogy to come to this conclusion????


Margp - that's an interesting point, a friend was contacted about a member of their family who had died without leaving a will, once everything had been confirmed as to who was who they were sent a basic family tree showing the family line of that person living & deceased - perhaps they do it differently in US  :-\
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Wednesday 22 February 12 12:44 GMT (UK)
Hi

It looks like Alleyne died in England

Alleyne Junius D Taylor
Birth  7 Jan 1936
Date  Reg Nov 2002
Age  66
Reg Enfield
Inferred County Middlesex
Reg Number D53D
District and Subdistrict 2271D
Entry number 192

Margp
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 22 February 12 12:52 GMT (UK)

He has a brother who is quite well known... actor /film producer Donald F J Taylor born 1920 on December 13/14 died 29 December in 1998.

I can find some info on my great granduncle Don but nothing of my grandad


Plenty of info. on Donald but no mention of his parents  ???

Bits of other info. online say born
Donald Ritchie Taylor in Pittsburgh and raised in Freeport, Pa
Also Known As:
Donald R Taylor,
Donald Dexter Taylor &
Cpl. Don Taylor
Died: December 29, 1998 Born: December 13, 1920

You give Donald’s middle initials as ‘F’ & ‘J’ are we looking at the right person  ???

more info. mentions Don survived by his sister http://sg.movies.yahoo.com/Don+Taylor/biography/10593/ - unfortunately no mention of a brother Edward  ???

From familysearch has this family on 1930 US Census Freeport Armstrong Pennsylvania

Donald R Taylor b1921 Pennsylvania,
Janet E Taylor b1926
parents
Edward D Taylor b1888 Pennsylvania & Jess D b1890 Pennsylvania

Can't match an Edward George/George Edward Taylor born 1902 to these parents and I would assume that as both Edward & Jess were born in Pennsylvania this is where they married

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 21:23 GMT (UK)
Good Morning from New Zealand....

I am stunned with what you all have found so far and will try to remember what was said so I can reply....

Victor: :)

How did you located the two Edwards birth dates please?

Ok lets see.

After Donald's death we were contacted by lawyers ( my aunt in the UK- dad's sister)  we were listed as next of kin- and for some reason his other "children etc" were by passed - and we were notified. This was to inherit his estate etc. but the will was contested and they won and that was it.

I have heard my dad speak of Uncle Don in the US making making movies etc. My grandad died when I was only 3 .

I have some other names listed in an old birthday book...( belonged to Grandma Connie Jane ) -

Iris Taylor Apr 16 ( year unknown ) I think its his sister

Jane Helen Taylor June 13 ( year unknown) ? relationship

Clarence Taylor Sept 11 ( year unknown ) ? relationship - suspect a brother

D V Taylor Jan 5 ( year unknown ) ? relationship

Sylvia Louisa Alene Taylor Jan 7 ( year unknown) ** this name is so beautifully written it makes me wonder who she was....

Joseph Lawerence Taylor  June 24 1849


My grandad Edward was long dead when Donald Taylor died - so that may be why he was not listed in the "survived by ".......

also I know that uncle Donald had divorced and remarried and there were step children in contest of the will too....

I will go over the info you all so kindly helped me find and see what else I can think of...

Thank you for finding Uncle Allyne's Info...

yes I know about his death and am in contact with that branch of the family -but geneology is not their thing and they don't have more info for me..

they  ( Alleyne and Evelyn and family ) went "back ' to live in the Uk - which makes me think of UK roots as it was always described to me as a child as

" going back to live in the UK..."

my dad's other sister "went back too" with her family .



BUT I am so grateful for the full info on their marriage dates etc...Thank you !!!



again THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! it helps - every little bit helps...!!



Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 21:31 GMT (UK)
"You give Donald’s middle initials as ‘F’ & ‘J’ are we looking at the right person  "

This is what it looks like to me in the book..I think Donald filled in his birthday in the book himself...its very stylized handwriting....but it looks like an " F" BUT it was filled in on the Dec 14th slot...so ???? mix up in dates...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Wednesday 22 February 12 21:42 GMT (UK)
Hi

I would get the details of the Lawyer who handled this, he must have details of the family, for him to have traced your aunt in England.

Margp
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 22:09 GMT (UK)
Quote
http://byarkivet.langelandkommune.dk/Dengodehistorie/Madslange/Gammel%20stamtavle

Thank you for this link...I know my cousins but its wonderful to have everyone's birth date etc laid out so I can collect it.....

Thank you I am so grateful!
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 22:13 GMT (UK)
Hi

I would get the details of the Lawyer who handled this, he must have details of the family, for him to have traced your aunt in England.

Margp

Thanks...I will try but my aunt in Wales has moved many times since and I dont think she would have kept it....but still worth a shot...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 22 February 12 22:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Have found this.....but no way of knowing if its him..... :-[

Name:    George Edward Taylor
Age in 1911:    9
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1902
Relation to Head:    Son
Gender:    Male
Birth Place:    Stainfield, Stainfield
Civil parish:    Grange de Lings, Riseholme and Nettleham
County/Island:    Lincolnshire
Country:    England
Street Address:    Nettleham
Marital Status:    Single
Occupation:    School
Registration district:    Lincoln
Registration District Number:    418
Sub-registration district:    Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel:    02
Piece:    19721
Household Members:    
Name    Age
George Taylor    53
Elizabeth Am Taylor    49
George Edward Taylor    9

I have also found some with an Ernest and Kate as parents -

but I have found a passenger list with an Ernest taking a ship from Singapore to the US...before the birth of Donald in 1920...

how do you know if you are not barking up the wrong tree??? :'(




Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Wednesday 22 February 12 23:14 GMT (UK)
Hi

On your dads birth and marriage certificate, what occupation is given for his father and where were they living, also who were the witnesses on the your dads marriage certificate.

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 00:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

My dad does not seem to have any of these...he is quite unwell and cannot be bothered with the info really....sad.but true...

I have tried but get a "dont know"

I know my dad was married in Singapore and his parents were around- though I am not sure about my grandfather...he came back from being a POW very unwell and was quarantined with TB.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 23 February 12 07:48 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am sorry your dads not well, as your aunt in Wales or any of the other siblings got this information on there birth or marriage certificate's

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 08:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

Thank you - for your help...

 I am trying to track down my aunt in Wales...she has moved a few times and we have lost contact. Gretel Rodiguese ( Taylor ) she may know but I dont think she has paperwork.....alot of the paper work and such seems to have vanished after their deaths....I cant imagine where to...

I am trying though...its hard but I wont give up....
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 23 February 12 08:36 GMT (UK)
Hi

Do you what arm forces Edward George Taylor was in when he was a POW
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 23 February 12 09:14 GMT (UK)
Morning everyone

A shame that no birth year was written in the birthday book  ???

Have had a look on FreeBMD nothing jumping out, also checked familysearch

I’ve given you Donald's social security number from familysearch this can be ordered on Anc (com) but can’t be sure it will give you the details you want ie parents names

I wonder if trying to obtain Donald’s US birth certificate will help

Only certain people can request a birth certificate. You must be…. See link

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/birth_certificates/14121

On December 15, 2011, Governor Tom Corbett approved Senate Bill 361.
 
Effective February 13, 2012, you may now access Pennsylvania birth and death indices to search for birth records from 1906 and death records from 1906 through 1961. The original birth and death records for these years are located at the Pennsylvania State Archives.

Edward George/George Edward was born 1902 and brother Donald born 1920 US (18 years later)
Is it possible that one of their parents remarried? I wonder when their parents travelled to US?

Can I establish whether it’s Edward George or George Edward Taylor born 1902 as you use both

Perhaps obtaining the marriage certificate of your father may hold some clues, witnesses could be family members, occupation & residence would be listed.

Can’t post details of 1911c and this is probably just a coincidence anyway
brother with the middle name ALLEN
similar sounding names seem to crop up with your Taylor family
Sylvia Louisa Alene Taylor & Alleyne Junius Dauphus Taylor
   
Having checked out their birth entries (FreeBMD) not sure this family is related to your Edward George Taylor as he was born 7 Dec 1902  this Edward George birth registered Mar 1903 ???

Edward George Taylor Mar 1903 Mansfield vol 7b page 112
Harry ALLEN Taylor Dec 1905 Mansfield vol 7b page 122

Here's the family on 1901/1891 anyway just for you to look at and eliminate

RG13; Piece: 3138; Folio: 82; Page: 23
52 New Street Sutton in Ashfield Nottingham
Edward Taylor 34 Licenced Victualler
Charlotte 36
Fred 15
Annie 9
Samuel 6
All born Derby

RG12; Piece: 2738; Folio: 20; Page: 34;
Edward Taylor 25 Brass Chaser
Charlotte 27
Frederick C 3
Annie E 3 months
All born Derby

mmm....just checked marriages on FreeBMD this seems to account for Harry's middle name ALLEN Edward TAYLOR married 1885 Derby Charlotte ALLEN






Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 23 February 12 12:35 GMT (UK)
This seems to be Donald with his family in 1930 in Freeport, Armstrong, Pennsylvania

Edward D Taylor 42 head 42  all of them b Pennsylvania civil engineer in a coal mine
Jess D Taylor 40 wife
Donald R Taylor 9 son
Janet E Taylor 4 dau

Will see if I can find mum and dad 10 years earlier- as they say they married at ages 26 and 23.

ADDED- sorry Ladyhawk I see you found this yesterday  :-[
I did read through the messages,but missed that one !
 
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 23 February 12 12:37 GMT (UK)

Will see if I can find mum and dad 10 years earlier- as they say they married at ages 26 and 23.


I don't have them in front of me but think I found them in 1920 as David Edwin and Jessie Gertrude, with a young son Thomas (again in Freeport).
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 23 February 12 12:52 GMT (UK)
Yes I think that's them too- son Thomas Dixon Taylor is 3.

I'm not sure that Donald CAN be Edward George's brother?

The 1940 census is due to be released in April-maybe that will help here?
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 23 February 12 13:04 GMT (UK)

I'm not sure that Donald CAN be Edward George's brother?


Agreed - Donald's parents are just too young.

I wondered whether the link might be a generation up - Edward George an uncle, rather than a brother, of Donald? However, Donald's father David Edwin Taylor is with his 54-yr-old widowed mother in 1910 and there is no sign of a 1902-born "late lamb" in the family.

Cousins, perhaps?  ???

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 23 February 12 13:31 GMT (UK)
Hi both,

Carol - that's ok I only had some of the details from familysearch  :)

have to agree with you both that I don't think they can be Edward's parents from a previous post more info. mentions Don survived by his sister http://sg.movies.yahoo.com/Don+Taylor/biography/10593/ I thought perhaps the US 1930c may have been Donald with his sister


I know my dad was married in Singapore and his parents were around- though I am not sure about my grandfather...he came back from being a POW very unwell and was quarantined with TB.

Unfortunately Whiskerssue only knows date & death of Edward if only his marriage to Connie Jane Batchelor could be found that would solve a lot, also found list of names from a birthday book belonging to her grandmother Connie


trying to find information on my grandfather Edward George Taylor.He was born 7th December 1902 - but where we do not know- died12 October 1968 in Singapore. He is buried there. I have had no luck tracing via Singapore

He married Connie Jane Batchelor. We know he was sent as a POW to the Thailand Death Railway to work during WW2. He has a brother actor /film producer Donald F J Taylor born 1920 on December 13/14 died 29 Dec 1998

I have tried looking for the names mentioned by whiskerssue in the birthday book but have had no success  ???


I have heard my dad speak of Uncle Don in the US making making movies etc. My grandad died when I was only 3 .

I have some other names listed in an old birthday book...( belonged to Grandma Connie Jane )

Iris Taylor Apr 16 ( year unknown ) I think its his sister

Jane Helen Taylor
June 13 ( year unknown) ? relationship

Clarence Taylor Sept 11 ( year unknown ) ? relationship - suspect a brother

D V Taylor Jan 5 ( year unknown ) ? relationship

Sylvia Louisa Alene Taylor Jan 7 ( year unknown) ** this name is so beautifully written it makes me wonder who she was....

Joseph Lawerence Taylor  June 24 1849

I think Donald filled in his birthday in the book himself...its very stylized handwriting....but it looks like an " F" BUT it was filled in on the Dec 14th slot....

.

I wonder if you might get some help with Singapore connections from here

http://www.cousinconnect.com/p/a/155/

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 23 February 12 14:04 GMT (UK)
Alleyne is mentioned on your other thread as the eldest son, but was he the eldest child of the family?

The death notice for Connie Jane Taylor in the Straits Times of 21 December 1972 describes her at the beloved mother of G______, Alleyne and G_______. [I have anonymised in case they are living].

The first of the G______ names (a very rare female name) corresponds to an engagement announcement in the Straits Times of 30 Oct 1947.  The bride-to-be is Miss G_______ Taylor, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs E.G. Taylor of Singapore.

Obviously to be getting engaged/married in 1947 she'd have had to be quite a bit older than Alleyne.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 23 February 12 14:28 GMT (UK)
The first of the G______ names (a very rare female name) corresponds to an engagement announcement in the Straits Times of 30 Oct 1947.  The bride-to-be is Miss G_______ Taylor, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs E.G. Taylor of Singapore.

Is the G lady the one that now lives in Wales....with a surname that doesn't exist(from an earlier post)  ;)
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 23 February 12 14:32 GMT (UK)
The first of the G______ names (a very rare female name) corresponds to an engagement announcement in the Straits Times of 30 Oct 1947.  The bride-to-be is Miss G_______ Taylor, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs E.G. Taylor of Singapore.

Is the G lady the one that now lives in Wales....with a surname that doesn't exist(from an earlier post)  ;)

Ah yes - I missed that.  The G name is an unusual variant of that one and the R name is the married name but not spelt quite as in earlier post!
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 23 February 12 14:38 GMT (UK)
Hi there Avm  ;)

Can you let me have the correct spelling of G's married name. I have a copy of the 2002 infodisk,I'll see if I can find her here.

Where are you finding this Singapore stuff- it's not on Ancestry or FindMyPast is it?

Carol
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 23 February 12 14:39 GMT (UK)
Carol -

The Singapore stuff is from the National Library of Singapore's digital archive: http://newspapers.nl.sg/default.aspx

I will PM you with the other information.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 23 February 12 15:01 GMT (UK)
Great detective work AVM228  :)

Do you think there's a possibility that Edward George Taylor & Connie Jane Batchelor's engagement or marriage may also be mentioned in Straits Times

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 23 February 12 15:08 GMT (UK)
Great detective work AVM228  :)

Do you think there's a possibility that Edward George Taylor & Connie Jane Batchelor's engagement or marriage may also be mentioned in Straits Times


I couldn't find such an announcement, nor his 1968 death, but others may want to have a go as I am multi-tasking and may well have missed something.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 23 February 12 15:28 GMT (UK)
I couldn't find such an announcement, nor his 1968 death, but others may want to have a go as I am multi-tasking and may well have missed something.

I've also had a go with the link you provided and haven't come up with anything either - such a shame ???
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 20:42 GMT (UK)
Hi

Do you what arm forces Edward George Taylor was in when he was a POW

I am not sure...I think he was involved with the British forces...

when the Japanese invaded Singapore they captured all British or even anyone who looked white to them......

my grandad was captured and sent to the Death railway in Thailand as far as I know. He survived. I think he was in Changi for a time too...

once I remember vaguely being shown a old military base in Singapore and told that my grandad was a clerk there under the British...


he came out of it very ill with TB and spent alot of time in the Cheshire Home until his death I think....
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 20:59 GMT (UK)
Good morning from New Zealand to my wonderful geneology angels...!!

Thank you so much for the info you found and the possible leads you have given me...I am more grateful that I can say...

I contacted Uncle Alleyne 's widow E via facebook...and she has confirmed that Iris Taylor is grandpa's sister.....

.there were sisters and brothers.She says she has a lovely picture of my great grandparents with my grandpa and his brothers and sisters.....she will scan and send it to me when she gets home

( I have not known such things existed!)

Also she says that she thinks Donald is his brother - she has a letter from him a long time ago from the US that she will try to find....

This so wonderful to me...can you imagine I am close to tears....somewhere finally  and the possibility of seeing the faces of my great grandparents!!!

We got cut off before I could ask more...

Auntie G is the eldest ...then my uncle Alleyne and then my dad G.

 I am stunned at what you can find - I have been researching Singapore papers and come up with nothing......!!

Thank You from the bottom of my heart for your help
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 21:08 GMT (UK)
I have not figured out how to do the "quote " thing properly...so forgive me...


Re' Edward Taylor's death announcment.

None may have been put in- I recall the mention that the time of the death was very bad as the family ( ie my dad ) was struggling -so the minimum could be done for the funeral. - they may not have put in an annoucement.

He was sick for a long time - so they may have phoned people instead...after his death.

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 21:44 GMT (UK)
I wonder if trying to obtain Donald’s US birth certificate will help


I called A***.com and was told to try this place for copies of certs etc - he said it was cheaper than going through them ( lovely lovely man) so I am posting it here if other want the info .

www.vitalcheck.com

I will order the certs if there are brothers for sure.....as it will cost over $50 to get it and then get it here. Worth it if its him!

Is it possible that one of their parents remarried? I wonder when their parents travelled to US?

I am wondering this too...but have never heard any mention of a re marriage. My aunt in the UK ( Uncle Alleyne's widow) says there were brothers and sisters and that she has a picture of them with my GG grandparents. She says That she thinks Donald is his brother.

When I was searching I found a travel passenger list with an Ernest Taylor leaving Singapore for the US in 1911. The full name was Ernest George Lanyard Taylor.


*** Yes I have noticed the repeatitions of name variations in the family!


In a passenger list of the ship Eurymachus - in 30 June 1920 - there was a passenger called George Taylor - who left Singapore at age 17 to arrive in San Francisco from Singapore port...

it would have put the age range in the right scope for Grandad.I was also told by my dad...many moons ago- that my family came to settle in Singapore as they were shipping folk.....???

I dont know if these people are "my people" or not...

Can I establish whether it’s Edward George or George Edward Taylor born 1902 as you use both

It says Edward George Taylor in family records BUT I have found him called Eddie or also found searches that are for George Edward .....I read that at times names are switched around..

By chance I found a baptism  record for a Edward George Taylor  at Stephney,Tower Hamlets at St Dunstan and All Saints  for 1902...a week after my grandad was born. The church seems to do baptisms every week on a Sunday...it lists his parents as Ernest and Kate.Taylor , Ernest being a clerk.

Again is it him???


Thank you  LadyHawk for your help....so much! - I will take a look...at the info you sent
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 21:53 GMT (UK)
Alleyne is mentioned on your other thread as the eldest son, but was he the eldest child of the family?

The death notice for Connie Jane Taylor in the Straits Times of 21 December 1972 describes her at the beloved mother of G______, Alleyne and G_______. [I have anonymised in case they are living].

The first of the G______ names (a very rare female name) corresponds to an engagement announcement in the Straits Times of 30 Oct 1947.  The bride-to-be is Miss G_______ Taylor, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs E.G. Taylor of Singapore.

Obviously to be getting engaged/married in 1947 she'd have had to be quite a bit older than Alleyne.


No- that was my mistake...Auntie G is the eldest ...( I always get that order wrong)

The death notice you have found is my grans...she died on the 20 December 1972- do you have a source for that announcement? I would like to print the notice and keep.

Yes that looks like the announcement for Auntie G . wedding ...it should say to a Wells Rodiguese ( I get the spelling for this mixed up. -he has since passed on )

Rodriguese?? I am trying to get her new mail address..

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 23 February 12 22:47 GMT (UK)
Sue,


You really should not be giving any personal deatils of people still living,not their names and certainly not where they live.I expect a mod will be along soon to delete some of your post.

Carol
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 23 February 12 22:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you Carol....I will go in and ammend my post...I thought I only mentioned people passed on in full...but may have slipped up...Thank you for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Friday 24 February 12 09:57 GMT (UK)
Hi

Have you tried contacting this site

http://www.nhb.gov.sg/NAS/

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Saturday 25 February 12 08:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

No- not yet . I will get onto it tomorrow...thank you ...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Saturday 25 February 12 08:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks to the wonderful link to the Singapore paper /Library achieves..I found an new clip to a reference to a Edward George Taylor - it it he mentions being married in October the past year...

so that would make it possible they were married on October 1931.

I have to try to find out when my aunt was born.

Goodnight for now...again my thanks to everyone who is taking the time to search or suggest links or ideas..all very gratefully received.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 27 February 12 07:48 GMT (UK)
Hi

Have you tried contacting this site

http://www.nhb.gov.sg/NAS/

Marg

Thank you for the link Marg but I could get no where with them...true to Singapore  fashion you cannot find out anything without paying....I tried and only got messages to pay  and no further.......public archives which are goverment controlled..??

frustrating really- did you have any success? if so where did you look???
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 08:08 GMT (UK)
Hi

Have you tried contacting this site

http://www.nhb.gov.sg/NAS/

Marg

Thank you for the link Marg but I could get no where with them...true to Singapore  fashion you cannot find out anything without paying....I tried and only got messages to pay  and no further.......public archives which are goverment controlled..??

frustrating really- did you have any success? if so where did you look???
If you access to a fax machine you could try
 For enquiries on access to our archival collections, kindly contact our duty officer in Archives Reading Room at 6332 7909 / 1800-337 4464 (toll-free) or fax at 6332 3238.

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 27 February 12 08:19 GMT (UK)
Darn it....no fax machine.....we are way out in the country.....

sigh I have been trying to locate my aunt G 's mail address but only come to sites where I need to register buy points??? etc...have not found a directory yet...

I am hoping to get some info from her - about My grandada...

I feel as though I have already hit a wall and I have only began.....where do I look ???

???
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 08:34 GMT (UK)
Hi

Have a look at this related topic, looking at it, I think  that your only way forward on this  is buy some certificates, but it is going to cost you some  money to solve this.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,222156.msg2963551.html#msg2963551

Margp
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 27 February 12 08:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

Thank you - will take a look.

I have a budget to buy certs etc but it is a waste if I don't even know if he was born in a place or not...I am still asking and will see if I get any answer.

I found a record for  an Iris Taylor ( who was his sister ) leaving Singapore for the UK as a 6 month infant...and going on to an address in the UK... am not sure if it is her or not...Traveling with the 2 children is a Iris Ruth Taylor and another child..Dare Ferguson Taylor ( 2 ) . Makes me wonder as my Grandma's book has a D.V Taylor......could it be this child???
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 09:04 GMT (UK)
Hi

I think that the marriage certificate for Edward George Talyor and Connie is the one to send for, it should give you Edwards fathers name and occupation and you have a rough idea that they married around 1931
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 09:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

Thank you - will take a look.

I have a budget to buy certs etc but it is a waste if I don't even know if he was born in a place or not...I am still asking and will see if I get any answer.

I found a record for  an Iris Taylor ( who was his sister ) leaving Singapore for the UK as a 6 month infant...and going on to an address in the UK... am not sure if it is her or not...Traveling with the 2 children is a Iris Ruth Taylor and another child..Dare Ferguson Taylor ( 2 ) . Makes me wonder as my Grandma's book has a D.V Taylor......could it be this child???
Hi Tammy can you give me more information on the date of this and the ship
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 27 February 12 09:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

I found this on A.....com

UK Incoming Passenger Lists

19 Sept 1946
Ship
Empress of Scotland

British Passengers

Iris Ruth Taylor ( 1925 aged 21 yrs )
Iris Ireen Taylor  ( infant 6mths )
Dare Ferguson Taylor ( 2 yrs )

** all 3 are listed as going to a new address in
2 Victoria Park Road
Basingstoke Hants

they dis- embraked on 22 Sept 1946 Liverpool England

The search said it left Singpore but the document also states Bombay India as a start ..??so I am not sure......
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Monday 27 February 12 09:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

I found this on A.....com

UK Incoming Passenger Lists

19 Sept 1946
Ship
Empress of Scotland

British Passengers

Iris Ruth Taylor ( 1925 aged 21 yrs )
Iris Ireen Taylor  ( infant 6mths )
Dare Ferguson Taylor ( 2 yrs )

** all 3 are listed as going to a new address in
2 Victoria Park Road
Basingstoke Hants

they dis- embraked on 22 Sept 1946 Liverpool England

The search said it left Singpore but the document also states Bombay India as a start ..??so I am not sure......

The record shows that this family had embarked at Bombay and their last permanent residence had been India.  The fact that the vessel's journey had started at Singapore is a distraction, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 27 February 12 09:46 GMT (UK)
Rats!!!.....that made me quite hopeful...

LOL! oh well....the search goes on...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 10:27 GMT (UK)
Hi

See this link for births and death

https://www.psi.gov.sg/NASApp/tmf/TMFServlet?app=ICA-RBD-eXtracts-pub&isNew=true&Reload=true

Margp
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 27 February 12 10:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you Marg

Ohh must go to sleep soon...almost midnight here!!

Been reading old achives of Singapore papers and doing a search for names....found a "Joseph Taylor" ( name in grandma's book ) dated as 1849- Joseph Lawerence Taylor...

read some articles of Jospeh Taylor who was a gaoler in the Straits Settlements Prisons in Malaya ( Singpaore was not independent then ) - he was awarded a medal for long service...

but on his retirement - an article says he was going to go to Singapore to visit his son and daughter there before heading back with his wife overseas to the UK...

He died on 4th Sept 1940 - leaving his wife Margaret Francis Taylor.

He died in Ewell , Surrey...

A***.com has info an index of his will but its only his wife's name...no names of his children listed...Hmmmm? wonder if it could possibly be the same Joseph as in my grandma's book...and if my grand dad  could be the son in Singapore he was visiting before leaving
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Monday 27 February 12 11:01 GMT (UK)
The Joseph Taylor who died in Ewell in September 1940 was aged 59, so born about 1881.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 12:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Tammy

You can order the Will from the following link they only cost £6.00 not sure on the postage to NZ , it only mention Margaret because she is the executor, if he did leave his children in the Will they should be listed, did you notice that the Will was registered in Llandudno Wales this may mean that they move from there to Surrey.

http://hmctscourtfinder.justice.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/pa1s-eng.pdf

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Monday 27 February 12 12:06 GMT (UK)
did you notice that the Will was registered in Llandudno Wales this may mean that they move from there to Surrey.


Probate was granted in Llandudno. The reason for this was that, due to the war, the Principal Probate Registry had been temporarily relocated from London to Llandudno.  It doesn't suggest that the deceased had any links to Wales.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Monday 27 February 12 12:20 GMT (UK)

D V Taylor Jan 5 ( year unknown ) ? relationship


I have sent you a PM about (possibly) this person.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 27 February 12 18:45 GMT (UK)
I have found Joseph and Margaret on the Incoming Passenger Lists with three children

Joseph A b 1909
Marjory b 1912
L...... b 1914

Arrival 24 Aug 1928 London
Ship Rawalpindi

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 28 February 12 04:34 GMT (UK)
HI Marg

No - none of those names seem to be included in her birthday book..which. makes me think its the wrong  person..I am working on tracking down Aunt  G-...

Anna followed up that Lead on D V Taylor....no ours...*pout* I will pm you what she found too...

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 28 February 12 05:15 GMT (UK)
Do you think I could find a name from a grave no?

There is a listing in her book for grave 10845 - Old Man Taylor's grave....

that could be my GG .....but alot of the graves in Singapore have been dug up and the land reused...

I wonder who has records of the graves and no's??
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 28 February 12 05:52 GMT (UK)
Do you think I could find a name from a grave no?

There is a listing in her book for grave 10845 - Old Man Taylor's grave....

that could be my GG .....but alot of the graves in Singapore have been dug up and the land reused...

I wonder who has records of the graves and no's??

I don't know if this link will help -

The National Archives of Singapore has the burial registers of Bukit Brown Cemetery dating from April 1922 up till December 1972. The original registers have been microfilmed. To facilitate access, the digitised records can now be viewed online. You need to know the date or approximate date/year of death to search the registers and you need your ancestors’ names (in the English alphabet) in order to find the graves’ locations in the registers

On the link there's a contact name with e-mail address

http://www.nhb.gov.sg/nas/BukitBrown_signage.htm

The Bukit Brown Cemetery closed for burial in 1973. There were about 100,000 tombs at that time

Fingers crossed - here's some info. on other cemeteries in Singapore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_cemeteries_in_Singapore
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 28 February 12 06:39 GMT (UK)
Awesome !!! I am going to have a look...thank you  so much..finger and toes crossed...

 ;D
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 28 February 12 07:54 GMT (UK)
Hi  LadyHawk

I went to look at the site and some of the records...its great to have something from Singapore online.....BUT it appears the cemetery was for the Chinese . I have emailed the lady in charge to see if that is the case...so hopefully there will be some direction.

I think the Bidadari Cemetery looks more likely - but I don't know if there are records for that one. I have asked her for info.

Thank you again- still hoping.
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 28 February 12 08:03 GMT (UK)
That's a shame  :(

Fingers tightly crossed that she can be of help :)

Is this your Auntie G’s husband death ?

Wellington Thomas Rodrigues
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1921
Feb 2005 Age 83
RD: Denbighshire North
Inferred County: Clwyd
Register number: A134 District
Subdistrict: 811/1A
Entry number: 33
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 28 February 12 08:19 GMT (UK)
Looking back at the death notice of his wifeConnie Jane Taylor
death 21/12/72 Church of  Risen Christ thence to Chua Chu Kang

Is it possible that she was buried with or near him?

Church of Risen Christ is a Roman Catholic Church
http://www.veritas.org.sg/parish_detail.php?OrganisationID=25
http://www.risenchrist.org.sg/v1/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=240&Itemid=62

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choa_Chu_Kang_Cemetery

http://www.streetdirectory.com/asia_travel/travel/travel_id_24579/travel_site_1/

The Choa Chu Kang Cemetery Complex is the only cemetery in Singapore still open for burials

http://www.nea.gov.sg/passesaway/burial.htm

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 28 February 12 08:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Lady Hawk

You are a great detective...!! thank you for all those links.

No My gran was buried in the same cemetery as my grand dad Edward.

 I have seen the graves of both of them but the grave listed in her book cites an" old man Taylor" and a grave no.

I think that could be Edward's Father my GG -

 I don't have a name only a grave no.

 I think the old cemetery used to be at Bidadari. The graves have all been exhumed and built over but I found an email address for a Mr Teo Eng Chuan yec2[at]hdb.gov.sg

He was handling the claims from family before the graves were exhumed in 2006 - he may be worth  contacting and I will try in the morning and see what response I get.

I was hoping the grave number  would give me my GGrandfather's name at least and info of his birth and death date.

thank you so much for you help.

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Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 01 March 12 08:04 GMT (UK)
Good Morning Tammy

Something as been niggling me about the birthday book, I am wondering if it was originally Connie's, or could it  have been handed down, is it all the same handwriting???

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 01 March 12 11:04 GMT (UK)
This link looks interesting

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/DisplayCatalogueDetails.asp?CATID=13404&CATLN=3&FullDetails=True&accessmethod=7

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 01 March 12 20:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

You are such a sweetheart for still helping me.

Before I reply - I emailed the two contact people in Singapore about the graves and have yet to get any reply - so waiting. A friend in the Uk is trying to track down an address for me that may prove useful.

Ok the birthday book-
no its not all the same handwriting- it looks like each person has filed in their own birthday in the book...some with really simple handwriting and others in a beautiful scrawl....I have happy to have it at least

For interest sake the birthday book is a small burgundy book about 6'' by 4''  . It called " The Loving Record and Daily Remembrancer" and was published by Ward, Lock and Co Ltd London. There is no publisher date. But its all worn and has been taped together in the cover..

I love old books.

My grans name is written down on the front - just her name which is unusual for her as she usually writes her name and the date to things - I have her own recipe book.

Do you think it handed down? There seems t be birthdays of family , and then some which look like friends...

I will go check out the link.

if all else fails - I will try to get that birth cert from the Singapore archives...though I dont have all the info they want yet..but I will try.

Thank you lots Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 01 March 12 20:44 GMT (UK)
This link looks interesting

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/DisplayCatalogueDetails.asp?CATID=13404&CATLN=3&FullDetails=True&accessmethod=7

Marg

That is an awesome link...How do we get to look at it.??? He may be listed as he was a POW in the war .
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 01 March 12 20:45 GMT (UK)
That's a shame  :(

Fingers tightly crossed that she can be of help :)

Is this your Auntie G’s husband death ?

Wellington Thomas Rodrigues
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1921
Feb 2005 Age 83
RD: Denbighshire North
Inferred County: Clwyd
Register number: A134 District
Subdistrict: 811/1A
Entry number: 33


Opps I may have missed replying to this...

Yes this is Aunite G's husband....

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 01 March 12 21:01 GMT (UK)
This link looks interesting

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/DisplayCatalogueDetails.asp?CATID=13404&CATLN=3&FullDetails=True&accessmethod=7

Marg

That is an awesome link...How do we get to look at it.??? He may be listed as he was a POW in the war .
Hi Tammy, the only way to search these records I think, is in person,or to  pay for a researcher to do it for you, the only other thing I can suggest is to put look up request on the London Forum, unless you know someone in London who can do it for you, I think that this your best lead yet and worth pursuing
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 01 March 12 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

thank you  for that...Hmmm I do know people in London but I think they would rather lie in front of a bus that search records for me..LOL!!!

but I will give it some thought and see what I can do....

still waiting a reply for a question I asked my aunt...where was granddad born...?

tap! tap! tap!!!.....still waiting

sigh
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 01 March 12 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Tammy

You can make a general inquiry on this link, just give them reference from the POW link I sent earlier, and all the information you have on him, and see what comes of that.

Marg

Sorry I forgot the link another OAP moment and blond as well

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/contact/contactform.asp?id=1
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 01 March 12 21:42 GMT (UK)
Lol " BLONDE"?

you are lucky - I have no excuse...!!

thank you Marg...will get onto it..
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Thursday 01 March 12 21:51 GMT (UK)
Lol " BLONDE"?

you are lucky - I have no excuse...!!

thank you Marg...will get onto it..
Its out of a bottle I am grey underneath
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Friday 02 March 12 10:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Tammy

"if all else fails - I will try to get that birth cert from the Singapore archives...though I don't have all the info they want yet..but I will try."

If you don't get any more information on Edwards birth I would try for the marriage, as you have more information on this, you know it was in Singapore and you also have rough idea of the year, and it will probably give you his fathers name and occupation, also the witnesses may be family members from the birthday book.

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Saturday 03 March 12 20:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

Yes that sounds like a good idea- I seem to have come to a wall and the only way over is to buy a cert. I am tired of waiting for " those who know " to share info on Grandad with me...this is the only way forward.

I did not know his parents name would be on the marriage cert....but I will give that a go.

Thank you...hope yo have a good weekend
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Tuesday 06 March 12 15:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Tammy

I have found from past experience , that if the information is not forthcoming from people in the know, that there are usually a skeleton or two in the cupboard, so be prepared, I have got a shed full of skeleton's

Margp
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 06 March 12 21:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg

LOL ;D yes I am prepared for that one...I think I may have found one already with the dates in an archived copy of the newspapers...but I think they must be a huge one lurking which may explain why someone in the family is refusing to share info....who knows...???

No reply yet from the Singapore graves people - so as soon as I can I think I will go ahead and get the certs for my grandad and maybe a marriage certificate.

I contacted my cousins to tell them we were doing this project to search for the Family tree and now will wait to see if any info comes...

it is frustrating though....as I cant seem to do anything  for the moment...

 :-\

By the way what kind of skeltons so people find in families besides the usual kid out of wedlock thing?? ???
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 06 March 12 21:59 GMT (UK)
By the way what kind of skeltons so people find in families besides the usual kid out of wedlock thing?? ???

A few of mine: bigamy, fraud, embezzlement, secret second families, changes of name so as to go on the run from the authorities...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Tuesday 06 March 12 22:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Tammy

Did you get in touch with the NA about the POW records

Marg

Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 06 March 12 23:26 GMT (UK)
Hi


Oh I see what you mean...still its all life huh? NO not on the POW thing yet as I want more info on my Grandad's birth cert first...the POW search will involve more money and I need to budget for the cert and then move from there...


I am still combing through old newspaper archives to see what I can find...

and also tracking down Auntie G's info..
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Wednesday 07 March 12 00:51 GMT (UK)
By the way what kind of skeltons so people find in families besides the usual kid out of wedlock thing?? ???

A few of mine: bigamy, fraud, embezzlement, secret second families, changes of name so as to go on the run from the authorities...

I guess that is what makes it all so interesting - the fact that they were not as good and innocent as the posed pictures make them out to be!!!
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Friday 27 April 12 03:00 BST (UK)
I thought this search was long cold and dead but thankfully some documents have been found . The info is being relayed to be so I am not sure where the source is as yet..( ie b.c or diary etc )

BUt I have names of Edward George Taylor's parents . They are

Joseph Lawerence Taylor (b 24 June 1849) and m to Jane DeSilver ( ? )

also these names..
Charles Arter Taylor  (b 14-9-1877)

Dessis William Taylor (b 1-1-1909)

I will continue to see what I can find...any idea or help VERY VERY appreciated

My grandad gave my aunt a whole bag of stuff. In 1964 - its still in the same bag and she is going through them now...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Friday 27 April 12 03:19 BST (UK)
another name to add...

Simon Micheal Taylor b 14-4-1874 ( singapore ? )
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 27 April 12 09:29 BST (UK)
I have names of Edward George Taylor's parents . They are

Joseph Lawerence Taylor (b 24 June 1849) and m to Jane DeSilver ( ? )


Great that you have at last found the parents names of Edward  :)

mmm.. can't place a marriage for Joseph Lawrence Taylor or birth entry on FreeBMD

This is the only couple I have found so far with names JLT & Jane, she is widowed later and due to their age probably not the parents of Edward ???

1901 RG13; Piece: 3698; Folio: 11; Page: 14
Joseph L Taylor 55 Oldham
Jane 55 Stalybridge Lancs
Lucy M 30
Jessie 19 Kings Heath Birmingham

Thought I'd found a Jane De Silva have given details to rule this one out

Jane De Silva Ch 30 Jan 1831 St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire
birth Place Moor Street parents Emanuel De Silva occ Mariner & Ann
died age 7 weeks Burial 27 Feb 1831 Low Hill Cemetry Everton


Charles Arter Taylor  (b 14-9-1877)

Dessis William Taylor (b 1-1-1909)


Can't see anything on FreeBMD for Dessis but wondering if Charles is Charles Arthur

Charles Arthur Taylor Birth: Oct 1877  - Bosmere, Suffolk

1881 The Street Coddenham Reg. District Bosmere
John Taylor Head Wid  51 Coddenham Ag. Lab.
Eliza dau 20, John son 18, Henry son 12, Alfred son 10
Charles Taylor grandson 3 Coddenham Suffolk

1871 John,  Eliza 32 Frederick 12 plus all the children named above
1861 John 60, Eliza 22, Fred 2,  Eliza 6 months

John Taylor ch 7 Jun 1829 Coddenham parents John & Mary Ann

Not sure who is the father of Charles, could be son Frederick as he's not with them on 1881 or perhaps he's the son of daughter Eliza  ???


Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: avm228 on Friday 27 April 12 12:06 BST (UK)
These names are so hard to link together in any English records that I can't help wondering whether the family had been elsewhere for a long time (whether in Singapore/Malaya for generations or elsewhere).

India springs to mind as there are lots of Da Silvas there.

Also could Dessis be Dennis? If so that suggests to me a possible Irish connection as that name did not become fashionable in England until a bit later. I think the family was Catholic, at least going by Connie's funeral announcement?

Names and dates are fantastic; any clues at all to location could be very valuable too!
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Saturday 28 April 12 08:47 BST (UK)
Good morning

I am wondering if Joseph Lawrence Taylor b 1849 and Jane De Sliver were Edward George Taylor's b 1902 grandparents if they were his parents then Donald Taylor could not have been his brother?????????????

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Saturday 28 April 12 22:34 BST (UK)
Good morning

I am wondering if Joseph Lawrence Taylor b 1849 and Jane De Sliver were Edward George Taylor's b 1902 grandparents if they were his parents then Donald Taylor could not have been his brother?????????????

Marg

Hi Marg and everyone...

sorry for the late reply - am working all this weekend...This is what my partner says too...he feels there is a generation missing..and that the above were grandad's grandparents....Hmmm?


I dont know if its the same...but the Jane DeSilver - there is a jane in the birthday book as ...Jane Helen Taylor b 13 June  yr ?

Yes the family is Catholic - always has been....I have heard mutterings of Irish and Scots /welsh roots...?????

The info on Dessis.....is very interesting...I did not know that...! Thank you..

The link of JLT and Jane looks very promising as Grandad was born a year  after the date or marriage..later...

My aunt says info she has given...Jane was born in Singapore...


thank you for the help.

I will add more when I can _ I did find stuff for a Simon Micheal Taylor 14-4-1874 -

a old newspaper article of 11 Feb 1916  - in Singapore...

will update more....

oh...

Also an article of Joseph Taylor
Singapore Royal Artillery awarded a medal in 1923 24 Feb...???

off to work...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 30 April 12 06:47 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone for the help...

I tried to get help or advice from the local geneologist society here in New Zealand. on how to do my research...

...well a more unfriendly cold response you could not imagine. She ( contact lady from the society )  would not listen to me past the word "Singapore " cut me short with..." I cant help you and don't know anyone who can...Goodbye "

...I did not even get the chance to tell her what I even wanted....

sigh ....seems asian prejudice is alive and well here...

if  geneology teaches us anything.. isnt it that we all have roots and no one is better than another....

evidently not here in New Zealand.....so sad.....
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 30 April 12 12:47 BST (UK)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-search-api%3A8080%2Fwww-catalogapi-webservice%2Fitem%2F775715

Hi Tammy

I have found this site that my be helpfu,l it looks like you can order the parish records on micro film,I am not sure of the procedure, but I am sure someone on Roots would know.

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: MargP on Monday 30 April 12 13:02 BST (UK)
https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/New_Zealand_Archives_and_Libraries

Another link for you, which relates to the previous link, I think if contact these they may be able to give you advise on where to go with this

Marg
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 30 April 12 22:14 BST (UK)
Awesome Thank you yet again Marg...I will check it out today.

Good news is my aunt and cousin and partner are sorting though papers found and trying to scan them for me...Yippee...sadly the papers are very very brittle and crumbling..but fingers crossed.

I have also started pieceing together my father's mother Connie Batchelor's family - Have alot more names of her siblings etc and their dates- it was not my original direction but I will look anyway...and see how far I get..

thank you very much Marg- I was hoping to join the local geneology society as I know so little...but maybe books from the library will be more friendly...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Monday 30 April 12 22:50 BST (UK)
These names are so hard to link together in any English records that I can't help wondering whether the family had been elsewhere for a long time (whether in Singapore/Malaya for generations or elsewhere).

India springs to mind as there are lots of Da Silvas there.

Also could Dessis be Dennis? If so that suggests to me a possible Irish connection as that name did not become fashionable in England until a bit later. I think the family was Catholic, at least going by Connie's funeral announcement?


Names and dates are fantastic; any clues at all to location could be very valuable too!

Sorry for the late reply....thank you for your help.

 Yes its been so frustrating to try to find them in any records..it is almost like they did not exist.  I am re trying Singapore for information. I have not been successful in getting replies to any of my questions.

My aunt is trying to read the writing on the paperwork ( faded old and crumbling ) she has found..so I will confirm if the names as Dessis or Dennis......but the family is Catholic has always been as far as I can tell. I do not know how long they were in the east  Singapore / Malaya for- there could have been some movement as the whole area including India was a British colony. There are lots of De Silvers in Singapore too...will keep trying to glean info. Thanks again.

I am going to try the old Singapore papers to see if I hit upon anything..
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 01 May 12 02:27 BST (UK)
I have been re reading the suggestions on this thread and looked up Cousin Connect....and found this query....again..some names are familir but they are common names- just putting it here to look at again...


   I'm looking for descendants of Aldwell William Taylor,Resident of Malacca,Malaysia from(1798 - 1803).He was born in 1759.Son William Taylor of Yatton, Herefordshire and Elizabeth Aldwell. He nominated a cadet for Madras for the season 1775/1776 HEIC. Deputy Chairman (John Roberts) at the recommendation of Mr Woodhouse, aged 17. Appointed 10th November 1775.He married to Ann Charlotte Metford.He died in 1817.His issue:- i)Aldwell Taylor married to Elizabeth Pearce Taylor.His children:- ai)Elizabeth Taylor(1823-1881). ii)Jane Taylor married to John Dungate Featherstonehaugh Parsons.His childrens:- ai)John Featherstonehaugh Parsons( born in 1849). aii)George Metford Parsons(born in 1851). aiii)Arthur Wilde Parsons(1854-1931).Married to Mary Waters Burridge.His childrens:- bi)Mary Elizabeth Parsons. bii)Amy Parsons. biii)Arthur Dungate Burridge Parsons married to Clare Martha Oxley.His childrens:- ci)Marjorie Clare Parsons married to Edgar Cully. cii)Dunstan Arthur Aldwell Parsons married to Hetty Wilkins. ciii)Denys Wilde Parsons married to Eileen Lawrence.His children:- di)Peter Austin Wilde Parsons MacPherson married to Margaret Corfield.His childrens:- ei)Lawrence Aldwell Wilde Parsons. eii)Trudi Arwen Wilde Parsons. aiv)Jane Parsons married to Charles Knighton Bosanquet. iii)John Braithwaite Taylor married to Martha Anne ?.His children:- ai)Aldwell Charles Taylor. iv)Peter Alexander Taylor. v)Robert Taylor. vi)Charlotte Taylor(1803-1879). vii)Lydia Taylor(1806-1854). viii)Charles Taylor(1807-1876). ix)William Taylor. x)Anne Taylor.


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Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Tuesday 01 May 12 02:29 BST (UK)
That middle portion was to be in quotes...and coloured- ???? it is someone else's query not mine...just found similar names...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Thursday 03 May 12 22:51 BST (UK)
I have more names to add ..but sadly no year- they are taken from my grandfather's personal papers that my aunt is reviewing.

Rendolph Taylor  20-6-?

Adelard Taylor 16- - ?


I also got a reply from the archives in Singapore with some useful links that I will post here for anyone else who may need it...
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: Whiskerssue on Friday 04 May 12 00:25 BST (UK)
This is part of the reply I recieved from the archives in Singapore and their links in my search...I am posting it here to  help anyone else who may also need this info.

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1.  Online Access to Archives

You may wish to visit our online finding aid, Access to Archives online at http://www.a2o.com.sg to see if you can find any information pertaining to your family.

 

2. National Library Board’s Digital Newspaper Portal

You may also wish to visit the National Library Board's (NLB) digital newspaper portal at  http://www.newspapers.nl.sg

NLB has newspaper collections starting from mid 19th century, i.e. The 'Singapore Free Press and Mercantile Advertiser' is available from 1835 to 1942.

For enquiries on newspapers, please send NLB an email at ref@nlb.gov.sg

 

3. Birth & Death Certifications

For information pertaining to birth and death certifications, you may refer to the Registry of Births and Deaths at http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=161&secid=159 

The Registry of Births & Deaths maintains the birth and death registered in Singapore since 1872. You may also email your enquiries to ica_rbd@ica.gov.sg 

 

4. Burial Information

For information on burial, National Environment Agency may be contacted at contact_nea@nea.gov.sg

 

5. Marriage Records

For marriage records search you are required to submit an application to the National Archives of Singapore. To ascertain whether we can assist you, please complete the attached ‘Request for Marriage Records’ form and fax it to us at  (65) 6332 3238, or scan a copy and email it to us. State full names, date of marriage and any other details that you have, such as the name of the church if the marriage took place in a church. This will enable us to determine if we are able to conduct a search. If your information allows us to make a search, a search fee is chargeable regardless of whether the marriage record is found after the search. Normally, we will let you know of the outcome of the search within 7 working days of receiving your agreement to carry out the search and receipt of search fee.

 

The search fee is S$35.00 (excluding GST).  Upon receiving your completed form, we will provide you with payment details if a search can be done.

 

For marriages conducted in a church, we require those who wish to obtain records of church marriages, to first obtain authorisation letters from the relevant church to allow searches to be made.   

 

6. Other websites that you may be interested in

·         The Eurasian Heritage centre  -  http://www.eurasians.org.sg/contact-us/

·         http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/e/r/Barry-P-Pereira/index.html

 
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: winsonsaw2003 on Friday 25 January 13 09:35 GMT (UK)
Hello,

 I know the direct descendant of Col.Aldwell William Taylor of Malacca.

Best regards,
Winson Saw
Title: Re: Desparately Seeking Edward George Taylor
Post by: LizzieCH on Saturday 08 June 13 13:47 BST (UK)
I don't know if this is something that could help?....in the garden of my house, I have a well-preserved memorial stone with the inscription:

"In memory of FREDERICK TAYLOR died March 1st 1907 aged 48 years.  Erected as a token of respect by his friends of the Rifleman Inn, Fore St Ipswich".

I sent for a copy of his death certificate to try to find out some of the history behind this - the death certificate shows that he died at an address in Ipswich and he was a labourer, and his death was registered by the Coroner for Ipswich, not a relative.  I then also sent for a copy of a birth certificate for a Frederick Taylor born 25th December 1858, who may or may not be the same person (but the dates and approx. location are reasonably close), this birth certificate shows this Frederick Taylor's parents to be: John Taylor and Eliza Taylor (formerly Scolding) of the Street, Coddenham, with John Taylor being an agricultural labourer.

I don't know whether or not this will be useful in helping to piece together some of the history - but it appears that "my" Frederick Taylor had many friends locally, and was well respected although, for whatever reason, there was no relative to be found at the time to register his death  :'(