RootsChat.Com

Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: kenjo on Wednesday 22 June 05 11:18 BST (UK)

Title: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Wednesday 22 June 05 11:18 BST (UK)
Hi all you good folk out there ;D
I have a missing Gran. ???
Can you help ???

Her name is Ann Wallace, Illegitimate. born Old Deer.
Her father [REPUTED] was James Wallace, tailor. apparently still alive in 1880,
Her mother was Barbara Findlay.now O'Brien, 1880.[I feel that O'Brien is an error it should Milne.]
Ann[27yrs]. married Charles Shand  [39yrs],4/12/1880 in Morrice buildings, Logierieve. Udny.

Both were working at Maryculter, as gardeners. before they married and in the 1881c.
they had George, early 1881.
They then moved up to Burnside of Braco in Cruden. to live with Charles's parents.
George Shand and Elizabeth Sangster.
1891c Burnside, of Braco crud en.
 Charles is 53!! Tarves  head.
Ann is 38,        Old Deer.
George is 10.   Maryculter
Charles A,  8    cruden
Hellen D,  5      cruden
William 1          cruden
George father 79, Logie buchan.
Elizabeth mother 75 Udny.
George dies Feb 1897. Charles dies April 1897, Elizabeth died 1899.
Poor Ann, is alone with William in the 1901c, she is 48yrs , and William is 11yrs, living at 10 main rd, Cruden.
This is the last I can find of her.
when Helen duncan shand marries Andrew Connon, 2/2/1906, she says her father was deceased.
and Annie Shand,, M.S.    Wallace.
Presuming she was still alive.[note that, they sometimes don't mention if they marry again]...
Helen died 7/9/1924, and Ann was deceased.
so, sometime between 1906 and 1924 she died. :-
I have tried all sorts of things,and can't find her death.
I traced the other children and they don't seem to marry.
2 of the boys are gardeners at  Slains Castle.
so does anyone have any suggestions.
Ann did have an illegitimate child, called Ann Wallace. born 1874.
she was adopted by Alexander Sangster and Bathia Clark, of Morrice Buildings Undy.
[so that is 1 reason Ann and Charles married there].
Ann Married Alexander Lawrie 1897, but Ann died just after the census.
kenjo



Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Wednesday 22 June 05 20:26 BST (UK)
Sorry Kenjo, have given it my best shot, but nothing!  Lost for ideas now.  Fingers crossed that someone might know something.  If only I had known last week, I was in NRH - that's life!!!!   Dorothy
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Wednesday 22 June 05 20:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Dorothy,
Never mind. :'(
By the way, anyone helping.....
Please don't spend any money.
I have bought, so much. already, on this lady.
My hope is......
That there is a Connon out there, that knows what happened.
kenjo :-*
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: ysabeau on Wednesday 22 June 05 22:13 BST (UK)
Hi Kenjo,

Was William one of the sons working as a gardener @ Slains ?

and

Did Helen Duncan Connon have any children, where perhaps Ann was a witness at their christening ?

Ysabeau
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Thursday 23 June 05 01:49 BST (UK)
Hang on there! ysabeau
great idea!!!!
But, I have to find all of this, now, 
Yes, Helen Connon did have children, I'll find them.
I'll get back.
kenjo ;D
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Thursday 23 June 05 07:38 BST (UK)
Kenjo, probably a stupid question, but did you find evidence that Barbara Findlay is Ann's mother?  Marriage certificates are prone to mistakes - made by registrars copying details wrongly.  Dorothy
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Thursday 23 June 05 10:42 BST (UK)
OK ysabeau,
These are the children that I know about.
William , Nanny, Mary, Daisy 1919, Rosie 1923, Jeanie 1924.
all cruden.

back to Ann Wallace/Shands boys in the 1901c.
{I am sorry i jumped in too fast}
George 20 yrs in Ellon is a Shoemaker, born Maryculter.
Charles A 18yrs in Udny Castle, Gardeners ? Gardeners Apprentice. born Cruden.
The other Gardener that was in Slains Castle was Robert Shand who was these boys 1st cousin.
I haven't found any marriage or deaths of these boys, not to say there isn't but just that I chose not to go over board.
and buy every certificate in site.
kenjo. :P
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Thursday 23 June 05 11:03 BST (UK)
hi  dkmcad,
No I don't really have any evidence.
I only know that there is no Barbara O'Brien, other that one in Sutherland, and I feel she is highly unlikely.
I do have this entry in the 1941c.
[I lost my copy]!..
anyway it was a Barbara findlay 15yrs.
with mum Mary, and siblings. in New or Old Deer.
Igi have a christening with James Findlay and Mary Cooper.as the parents. she is the most likely.
but I feel she marries a Milne.......
[ I am sorry for being very vague, but I haven't looked at this for some years and obviously, have been very slack at my note taking.
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Thursday 23 June 05 21:29 BST (UK)
Don't shout Kenjo, didn't cost me anything, had credits left on SP!!!!!!

Tried all sorts of combinations but didn't come up with anything.
Sorry!  Next time I go to NRH, which probably won't be until the Autumn, will certainly have a scout around for Ann's death. 
Meantime, maybe someone can come up with something.

Saw Barbara Findlay's marriage to William Milne and her children,  who appear to be still there in January 1861.  The 1861 census should be online, well..... ??  You might find a wee Ann W. in Old Deer either with mother or grandparents.

Dorothy
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Friday 24 June 05 02:42 BST (UK)
You are both lovely ladies, showering me with kindness. :-*
I would hate you to waste money.
I have been having a wonderful time on the site you sent me, Dorothy, thanks,
and Ysabeau, I will try and buy some of the potential marriages of the boys and see if I can narrow down the years.
of Death for mum.
It's funny I have had Pattillos contact me, but no Connons.

Rose, came to Aus,with her husband. and Daisy did too with hubby and children and Andrew Connon came out too, he was quite old by this time. in the mid 1950s.
I nearly rang an old Pattillo in Aberdeen, last night, but, realized he wouldn't know the Connons. ( I don't think) :-\
I will go to the local mormons and narrow down the births of the children of Andrew Connon, and Helen Duncan Shand, tomorrow.
they have the indexes on film, and go a lot further than scotlandspeople.
I will have to take a sleeping tablet, tonight ;D
I stay up all night watching the tennis! love it!!!! ;D
love you all.
kenjo :D
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924 Updated sunday
Post by: kenjo on Sunday 26 June 05 03:51 BST (UK)
 :D
This is the children  of Helen Duncan Shand and Her husband Andrew Connon they mar 2/2/1906 Hatton, Cruden.
All children reg Cruden.

1906  Helen Ann Connon  (I think is Nanny)she would have raised the kids after mum died.
1908 Mary Connon
1910 Andrew Connon, died 1923, drowned
1911 Robert Shand Connon, died 1923, drowned.
1912 Charles Connon...................died 1912  at Church Cottage, Hatton, Cruden after 2 days.
1915 William Connon [Bill]
1918 George Connon ...................died 1918 at Hobshill, Hatton.after 7 weeks
1919 Daisy Connon
1923 Rosie Connon
1924 Jeanie Connon

Rosie and Daisy came out to Aus, with there husbands and Andrew Connon, lived with his daughter Daisy.
regards
kenjo :D
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Monday 27 June 05 18:33 BST (UK)
http://www.crudenbay.org.uk/

"DD"   8)
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Thursday 30 June 05 08:20 BST (UK)
Hi "KJ",  any news of "Gran Ann"????

"DD"
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Thursday 21 July 05 16:30 BST (UK)
Me again ;D  Any further word on your search for Ann's death or burial.   Just interested now ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Tuesday 02 August 05 01:28 BST (UK)
Hi All, who have stuck this far. :D
This is the latest,...
Thanks to dkmcad and ysabeau . 8)
who gave me some sites to, send inquiries.

local.studies[AT]aberdeenshire.gov.uk
Judith Legg, was a great help, with the Valuation Rolls, for Hatton,

This is part of her letter.
Unfortunately we do not have Post Office Directories for Hatton, only for the city of Aberdeen.  As far as I am aware there are few directories for rural Aberdeenshire.
I have also checked through a few of the Valuation rolls, which we hold.  In the 1904-1905 roll there is an Ann Shand (widow) listed as the occupier of a house called Daisy Cottage, Hatton.  The person renting the property is listed as George Shand (shoemaker).  Unfortunately we do not have a complete set of Valuation rolls and the next one we have is for 1907-1908 by which time the occupier of the house has changed. From the above details you will have more idea than me as to whether the people mentioned are your relatives. Aberdeen Archives have a more complete set of valuation rolls.  Their email address is archives[AT]legal.aberdeen.net.uk.

I hope this is of some help and wish you well with your quest.

Regards

Judith Legg
Senior Library Assistant
Local Studies
Aberdeenshire Library and Information Service


Also........

There were actually 3 or 4 addresses  listed as Daisy cottage Hatton. These appear to be in the same place as the are listed one after the other

1904-1905
George Shand (tenant) occupied by Ann Shand (widow)
Christina Andrew, wife of James Andrew a soldier in South Africa
Mary Davidson (spinster)
Empty
1907-1908
Andrew Connon (postman) appears as tenant of a house (no name) in Hatton but not Daisy cottage.

1911-1912
A Connon (postman) is listed as tenant of garden ground, Hatton and there is an Andrew Connon (church officer) tenant of house and garden listed under the United Free Church.

1920-1921
A Connon- garden ground only

1924-1925
A Connon- garden ground only

1932-1933
Andrew Connon (postman) tenant of house No. 23, Hatton. (not Daisy cottage)


1941-1942
Daisy Cottage listed as uninhabitable



operations[AT]aberdeenshire.gov.uk
This is another helpful site...

There are two burial grounds in Cruden - if you mean Cruden Cemetery please contact Shirley Dickie on 01779 483245 or e-mail shirley.dickie[AT]aberdeenshire.gov.uk and she will be able to give you a quotation - she is the Registrar for Cruden. However if the burial took place in St James Cemetery Cruden this is a private burial ground and Aberdeenshire Council do not hold burial records for private cemeteries - these records are usually held by the minister.

If you require any further information Shirley Dickie will be happy to help you.

Regards

Shirley Bruce
Landscape Services Officer

Thanks Dot and Carole, for all your help. ;D
  This MI is courtesy of ysabeau  8)

Moderator Comment: e-mail edited, to avoid spamming and other abuses. Please replace [AT] with @
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: dkmcad on Tuesday 02 August 05 09:22 BST (UK)
Ah KJ, everywhere you turn leads you to that "brick wall". 

Ibi, if you are out there, have you any thoughts on the situation ???

With my "limited" knowledge of genealogy, I can only think that Ann's death certificate was one of the "escapees", or she married again and her death was only recorded under her "new" married name, with no previous names given?????  I see Helen, daughter, died in Aberdeen.  Could she have gone there with the family after the boys died ???
So many questions, not a lot of answers ;D

D

Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Tuesday 02 August 05 11:00 BST (UK)
Hi dkmcad, :D
Helen Duncan Shand/ Connon, died of Anaemia, in the Hospital Aberdeen, Her residence, was still Hobshill, Hatton, Cruden,
Hope this helps,
and Yes, ibi, I would love your input, if you have the time.
kenjo :-\
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: Rena on Thursday 16 August 07 13:12 BST (UK)
Hi,
sorry, I can't contribute but just wanted to say what fascinating sleuthing!

I was just surfing through following my Jessita Findlay, parents, James Findlay -m- Barbara Marshall family of Aberdeen/Morayshire and happened upon the query.

Congratulations all round,
Rena
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: ellenbrora on Monday 10 September 07 12:19 BST (UK)
Hi Kenjo

I just wondered if you ever found Ann Shand nee Wallace's death?

Was really interested when I came across this thread, as Ann's illegitimate daughter Ann(ie) Wallace was taken in by my 3 x great grand uncle and aunt, Alexander Sangster and Bathia Clark. She may even have married one of my distant relatives too, as Alexander Sangster's mother's maiden name was Lawrie, one of my direct lines.

Regards

Ellen.
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Tuesday 11 September 07 11:29 BST (UK)
Hi Rena and ellonavon,
Yes the girls did do a great job......... :D
but sadly no...I have never found anymore than this....
the only thing ..I was thinking is if Ann did die in the district then ...I would have thought she would have be buried in  the same church yard....and also her sons....
so I think..........that she emmigrated to ???????? with her son.
Lovely to meet another ...crossing the branches....don't forget if you would like to add your branch to my website ...just ask..
regards,
Jo.
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: BrianPurdyTX on Sunday 22 August 10 07:30 BST (UK)
I have a couple things to add about this Barbara Findlay, mother of Ann Wallace:

Barbara Findlay was married to Alexander McBain later in life. There is a record in Kinellar for this dated 21 May 1870. Alexander died 12 Jan 1887 with has last address being 104 Commerce Street, and having lived at 69 Holburn Street, Aberdeen. This part is easily verifiable by parish records and Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories, REF SC1/36/100.

Now, I haven't established the certainty of the following, but it appears that she was previously married to William Milne (former husband of Isobel Taylor); And, he (Alexander McBain) I think was previously married to Rachel Hay, brother of William Hay, the somewhat renowned schoolmaster at Tillydesk, Ellon. William and sister Rachel Hay's parents were apparently William Hay and Rachel Rainie (Rainey?, Rennie?).

Also, it seems that this Barbara Findlay (there are two) was born in Old Deer on 23 Mar 1824, the daughter of James Findlay and Mary Cooper. Barbara Findlay and William Milne have marriage records dated about 19/20 Feb 1852 in Old Deer and Logie-Buchan.

So, interestingly, I also found a marriage record for James Wallace and Isobel Taylor on 18 Nov 1841 at Fyvie. I have no idea if this is the same Jame Wallace, but if it is, that certainly makes the whole deal quite strange.

I am sorry in advance if this does nothing for your quest to find Ann Wallace's death, but hopefully it is useful, anyway.

Brian
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: BrianPurdyTX on Sunday 22 August 10 08:22 BST (UK)
Upon further review, Charles Alexander Shand, born 16 Nov 1881 to Charles Shand and Ann Wallace died 24 Jan 1929 in York, Ontario, Canada.

There is the death record of an Annie Shand for 21 Apr 1920 in Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. (birthplace Scotland, estimated birthdate 1852.)

I would suggest that this Charles is the same as the Charles A (age 8) on thf 1891 census.

Also, for pretty good evidence, see the 1911 census of Canada, Ontario, York Centre, 8 Etobicoke, page 10.

Family (line 14-17):
Shand, Alec, m, head, s, nov, 1882, 28, Scotland, 1903, scotch, canadian, presbyterian, gardner
Shand, William, m, brother, s, Dec, 1889,  21, Scotland, 1906, scotch, canadian, presbyterian, gardner
Baxter, James, m, nephew, s, Mar, 1903, 8, Scotland, 1908, scotch, canadian, presbyterian, none
Shand, Annie, f, mother, w, Jan, 1858, 63, Scotland, 1908, scotch, canadian, presbyterian, none

This is very clearly the same Shand family, so it makes the Annie Shand above the correct Annie -- mystery solved. The 1858 date on the census is obviously in error and should be 1853 for the date and 68 for the age. Alec is obviously Charles Alexander and matches the death cert listed above.

Brian


Please let me know if this helps or if this was already solved! Thanks!
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Friday 10 September 10 09:43 BST (UK)
Oh My Goodness!!!! :D :D :D
I wish I could hug you. I send you a huge cyber huge.

Wonderful.
I had not gotten any further at all.

Thankyou so very much. :-* :-* :-*
Jo


ps.
Do you know how James Baxter fits in?
I need to reaquaint myself with the relationships.
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: BrianPurdyTX on Friday 10 September 10 13:11 BST (UK)
I don't know how James Baxter fits into the picture, and I suspect the best way to track him will be from his descendants, if there are any. He was born about 1903 and would have been an infant for the migration to Canada. I can think of some possibilities, but I could be off on those as well:
1. He was a child of Helen before she married Andrew Connon (perhaps illegitimate)
2. James Baxter came from Alexander Lawrie's family.

I don't know which of these is likely. It's also possible that there is a different scenario entirely or that they used the term nephew loosely.

Also, did you see my message about Barbara Findlay being a McBain and not O'Brien? Have you had a chance to check into this possibility? A cursive McBain could possibly be mistaken for O'Brien. The reason I ask is that Alexander McBain is my direct ancestor. There is an inscription that includes his name in Kinellar Kirkyard, but it makes no mention of Barbara Findlay, even though there are will documents for him with her name on them. So, it's possible that it's a different Barbara Findlay.

Also, there are several memorial inscriptions that include Barbara Findlay's name in Aberdeenshire. Here are a few:
1. 1878 - Kirkyard of Udny (with Barbara and William Singer)
2. 1904 - Kirkyard of Kinellar (with Robert Simpson and Annie Findlay)
3. Kirkyard of Fyvie (Includes Andrew Findlay, Jean Shand, Alexander Findlay, Jane Fowley, Mary Findlay, other Findlay)

The actual text of the inscriptions can be ordered from Aberdeen & North East Scotland Family Historical Society for a fee.

Brian
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: J.J. on Friday 17 September 10 20:09 BST (UK)
I am a bit confused  :D ) as always) by some of the thread, so will stick to the Wallace/Shand Ontario ties...
Don't see the fellows in the CEF signups http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
There is a marriage for Charles Alexander Shand to Margaret Weir Purdie. I'll find someone to give you further information on that ... They might also find one for William ( There is one with mother Wass but might be a stretch, and there were Wass in Ontario)
Can't see an entry for any of them here: http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/#mozTocId46239 so I'll see if anyone can find you some passenger lists for entries into Canada,  J.J.

P.S. re: James Baxter...another avenue to search might be the sister Anne Wallace/Sangster
 
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 23 September 10 01:05 BST (UK)
Hello folks  :)

Annie Shand arrived on the Empress of Ireland 19 Jun 1908. The ship departed Liverpool and she entered Canada at the Port of Montreal. Her age is hard to read but looks like it says 50 (?). She is a Widow, b. Scotland, and going to Toronto. It appears that the immigration officer added Alex in his margin notes (possibly referring to her son?).

Travelling with her ..... a James Shand, aged 4 years, also b. Scotland , and going to Toronto. I suspect this young fellow is the James Baxter with the family in the 1911 Census. More about James later.

The marriage of Charles Alexander Shand, 29, Bachelor, a Gardener, of the Township of Etobicoke, County of York, Ontario, to Margaret Weir Purdie, 29, Spinster, of Mimico in the Twp of Etobicoke took place 08 Dec 1911 at the Village of Mimico in the County of York, Ontario by license. Parents of the groom Charles Shand and Annie Wallace. Parents of the bride Robert Purdie and Margaret Torrance. Witnesses William Shand of the Twp of Etobicoke and Mary Agness Watt of Toronto.

I think the marriage J.J. found for William Shand may well be yours and that the minister may have misheard Wallace as Wass. I will post the details for you to decide.

Bouncing screen .... continued

Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 23 September 10 01:36 BST (UK)
Continuing .....

The marriage of William Shand, 35, Bachelor, Market Gardener, of Humber Bay in the Twp of Etobicoke in the County of York, b. Scotland to Eva May Hall, 28, Widow, of Toronto took place 30 Jun 1925 at New Toronto, County York, Ontario. Parents of the groom Charles Shand and Ann Wass (misheard Wallace?). Parents of the bride Adam McIntosh Bunch and Adelaide Bouskill. Witnesses Albert Hargreaves of Mimico and Pearl Bunch of New Toronto.

The above info for William matches info on a passenger list returning from Scotland 04 Mar 1921. He states he is a Gardener and the address returning to is as above. The Form 30A related to this trip is unfortunately almost illegible. Where it asks for nearest relative in the country from whence he came I can make out Brother ....?.... Sh..... of East Riggs (I think) ......?........ Sc......d. Perhaps some of the latter rings a bell? Was it William's brother George who died in 1897 or the elder George? Almost looks like a "Ge" at the beginning of the brother's name? William was returning from a holiday and gives his original immigration year as 1907.

I have not had any success in a search for either Charles or William on a passenger list related to their original arrivals in Canada.

Bouncing again .... continued


Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 23 September 10 02:33 BST (UK)
Continuing....

Now then, James Baxter.

I have found a marriage for a James Baxter who may be the James in the 1911 Census Canada. He is living in the same area as the Charles and William I posted about above.

The marriage of James Fleming (transcribed Henning) Baxter, 20, Bachelor, a Gardener, of Humber Bay, County of York, Ontario, b. Scotland to Mary Violet Guzuk, 18, Spinster, of New Toronto, b. U.S.A. took place at 96 Portland St, Mimico, Ontario on 28 Nov 1923.

Father of the groom John Baxter b. Scotland
Mother of the groom Margaret ? (footnote states "Groom was left an orphan while an infant and knows very little about parents")

Bride's parents John Guzuk b. Russia and Doris Gouth.

Witnesses Helen Johnston of Mimico and Jack Blenkhorn. It is too bad one of the Shands wasn't a witness.

The evidence that this is the same James Baxter as in the 1911 Census is circumstantial but if records are available there should be enough info here to be able to trace the birth of this James Baxter and the circumstances that orphaned him. That he is down as 'nephew' on the census is intriguing but it is a term that is sometimes used for other relationships. On the other hand perhaps you may turn up a relationship.


Polarbear
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 23 September 10 04:20 BST (UK)
Ohhh,   ;D  that gardener link looks pretty darn good, nice sleuthing, polarbear!
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 23 September 10 14:37 BST (UK)
Thanks J.J.  :)
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 23 September 10 17:55 BST (UK)
Great follow-up sleuthing, Brian & polarbear!!!
In case anyone else is looking...Charles may be down on ship's list as Alex/ Alex
Charles Alexander Shand (as Alec) immigration c. 1903, William imm c. 1906, Annie & young James Baxter/Shand imm record found...( as found by Brian, image follows)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=123480

In case he is related, nearby York Centre Scarborough, there is an Alexander born Scotland 1892 imm. c1909
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=123633
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 25 September 10 20:54 BST (UK)
And since there are still 2 Shand in Etobicoke ON http://www.canada411.ca/search/si/1/shand/Etobicoke+ON
2 listed in Humber district http://www.canada411.ca/search/si/1/shand/humber

and this one works right by the humber Valley- 2 people there, surname Shand....email link in 2nd url
http://www.profilecanada.com/companydetail.cfm?company=535512_Water_Arts_Inc_Etobicoke_ON
http://www.waterartsinc.com/contact/

If this one isn't interested in genealogy I'd be surprised!
http://www.ibegin.com/directory/ca/ontario/etobicoke/shand-amp-associates-inc-2275-lake-shore-blvd-w-500/

Or a Humber Valley Grand Secretary Mason contact email on page http://www.gtamasons.ca/Humber%20Dist/humberddgm.htm

Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: kenjo on Sunday 26 September 10 02:40 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much J.J. and Polarbear.
Sorry for the delay, I have only just seen the messages (they get sent to my garbage, unintentionally).
It is going to take me a few weeks to get back to this wonderful, now solved heritage, so please don't think I don't care.
Brian, I will do some changes in the other part, re: O'Brian.
Thanks again.
Jo
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: polarbear on Sunday 26 September 10 23:26 BST (UK)
You are very welome  :). This was a most interesting hunt and I am pleased to have been able to help.

Polarbear
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: sunfish61 on Saturday 23 June 12 20:29 BST (UK)
Charles Alexander Shand   
Age: 29   
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882   
Father Name: Charles Shand   
Mother Name: Annie Wallace   
Spouse Name: Margaret Weir Purdie   
Spouse's Age: 29   
Spouse Father Name: Robert Purdie   
Spouse Mother Name: Margaret Torrance   
Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1911   
Marriage County or District: York
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: sunfish61 on Saturday 23 June 12 20:32 BST (UK)
Charles Alexander Shand, a Market Gardener, born November 16, 1881 in Scotland died January 24, 1929 at St. Joseph's Hospital in Toronto of General Perintonitus 22 days after an operation due to a ruptured gangrenous appendix. His parents were Charles Shand and Ann Wallace. His wife, Margaret Shand. His address, Evans Avenue, Islington (just north/west of Mimico) His doctor, Dr. Ferrier of Mimico. He was buried Jan 26, 1929 at Parklawn Cemetery, New Toronto

Charles Alexander Shand is the brother-in-law of my ex-husband's great aunt.  TudiNuttley(AT)aol.com
Title: Re: I lost my Gran, Ann Wallace, Shand. 1906- 1924
Post by: sunfish61 on Saturday 23 June 12 21:10 BST (UK)
I don't know if this Death Registration belongs to our Anne Shand nee Wallace

Moderator Comment: Only small sections of original images may added for help with deciphering due to possible copyright issues. However, you may transcribe information from original images and include that info on your postings.