Help Please with Brick wall - Mary Barnes c1863 - 1967

[jomcd967]

Looking for any help with finding out what happened to my 2x ggrandmother Mary Barnes.

What I do know:
Marriage at St Nicholas Church, Plumstead, 21 Jul 1883
Mary Barnes, full age, spinster, Plumstead, father James Barnes, Hawker
Thomas James Puplett, full age, bachelor, Waterman/Lighterman, father Thomas James Puplett, Waterman/Lighterman, both signed, witnesses G W King & Annie Puplett (sister to Thomas).

1891 census: 10 The Dwellings, Battersea

Thomas & Mary ( age given as 24, born Woolwich, which would mean age 16 at time of marriage?) and their four children: Mary Rosina 1885, Thomas Jas 1886, John Edward 1889 & Samuel George 1891.

Thomas senior dies 25 Apr 1896 and his death certificate lists his address as 7 Crescent Place, High Street, Battersea.

This is where I lose Mary, I have not found a likely birth, the only James Barnes, Hawker (c 1820 Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire ) that I can find is married to a Caroline (c 1822 St Pancras, General Shop Keeper) in 1881, living in 20 Wilderness St, Bermondsey. In 1891 this James is a widower, a port watchman, living in Long Lane Bermondsey, not found in 1871.


I have found her sons Thomas, John & Samuel in 1901 (Thomas with his paternal GM, John & Sam in Industrial School, no sign of Mary Rosina) & 1911 i have found all four children. John dies in battle in 1915 and Thomas, Samuel and Mary Rosina are well traced from then on in. I also have everything I need on the Pupletts prior to their marriage.

Mary Puplett formerly Barnes then has another daughter, also named Mary on 1 Oct 1904 at Newington Workhouse, no father named, her address at the time is 99 Mint Street, which appears to be a common boarding house for women.  Baby Mary dies October 1905, this is my last sighting of Mary? Other known facts is that John & Samuels military records list only siblings as next of kin, Thomas's military records appear to be destroyed unfortunately!

Where is Mary Rosina in 1901?
What happens to Mary Barnes? Who were her parents?

Any help with finding Mary would be greatly appreciated as I have been stuck on this for a very long time. Also, as far as the Puplett's go, I have traced them as completely as possible going back many generations so please don't waste time there on my behalf.

Thanking you in great hope,

Jo 

[ennael]

Hi,
  Even though you have a birth for a Mary PUPLETT in 1904, have you researched this marriage in the same area  for 1901?

Marriages Jun 1901:
   
MEAD  Ernest    Southwark  1d 157

PUPLETT  Mary Ann     Southwark  1d 157

http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Leanne

[jomcd967]

Thanks Leanne, Mary Ann is the daughter of a James Puplett, a distant relative, not my Mary unfortunately! But thank you for looking.

Jo 

[AiryFairy]

Could this be your Mary Barnes?
Baptised 21 Oct 1867, Father James and mother Mary Barnes. James occupation there is Gardener though - maybe he changed jobs. Parish is Finchley St Mary.

This record ties in with the ages of 24 in 1891. However I did find these two1859 bap records for a Mary Ann Barnes:

1/ Father James; Mother: Elizabeth; Bap date 10 March 1859 St Pancras; Fathers occupation: Collector

2/ Father James; Mother: Matilda; Bap date 9 Jan 1859 Shoreditch St Leondard; Fathers occupation: Warehouseman

[jomcd967]

Thanks AiryFairy,

I can't tell you how much I appreciate another set of eyes looking for me! I will certainly look in to that, I am not sure how far Finchley is from Woolwich, but there is certainly no reason that she couldn't have been born in one parish and baptised in another, especially if the family was a bit itinerant. This has frustrated me for so long now that I am willing to look at all and any options.

Thank you so much for your time and effort on my behalf,

Jo 

[AiryFairy]

Not a problem, I'm happy to help. I know what its like coming face to face with brick walls - so frustrating!! - and another set of eyes and suggestions always comes in handy doesn't it.

I just had a quick check on maps and Finchley to Woolwich is roughly 48 minutes. Not *that* close but not all that far either. You never know, maybe they moved for work purposes.

AF

[Anubiss]

Hi ,
It looks like  Mary Barnes is my 2 -3x grandmother also.

Thomas James Puplett was my mother’s father.
 I know what happened to his brothers and sister, and i would like to find out more too.
bye,
Anubiss

[JaneyCanuck]

I have been whiling away a Saturday afternoon here at RootsChat ... and have managed only to rule out the James (hawker) and Caroline couple in the 1881 -- in 1861 and 1871 they are in Benwick, Cambridgeshire, with no children.

[jomcd967]

Thanks Janey, have been after this for so long, as I only have her in 1891 and marriage cert, am not too sure of her details. I would love to find out more??? Any ideas and suggestions are great fully received!

Jo 

Anubis, I am sending you a pm.

Jo