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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #9 on: Monday 10 November 14 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks ever so much.
I will find the other medals and post some pictures of them as they may be of interest as well.
I was wondering what the letters meant and thought they may have been a title of some kind.
I will do some more research on the two Millers you've found, but as the medal is inscribed W.F., then I'm thinking that the Lieutenant of the Imperial Yeomanry who was invalided home, is the one to look at first. Would I be right in that the term "invalided home" might cover wounds and/or illness?
Does the Imperial Yeomanry mean forces intend for areas outside the European area?
I'd thought that Yeomanry were based around areas where they came from rather than a general term.
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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #10 on: Monday 10 November 14 15:29 GMT (UK) »
The Imperial Yeomanry (1899-1908) was set up specifically to fight in the Boer War.  It comprised companies drawn from various Yeomanry regiments along with volunteers.  After the Boer War ended, the recruits were sent back to their original regiments, the volunteers were posted elsewhere and the Imperial Yeomanry was officially disbanded.  (There is a useful article on wiki giving more detail)

You are quite right that "invalided home" covers both wounds and illness (typhoid caused most of the deaths through illness but rheumatic fevers seem to be the major cause of debility)

Capt F W Miller is probably a red herring but I have had a further thought about Great War service.  The 1914 Star does not have a rank inscribed on it, so it may be that Sir W F Miller was working for the Red Cross providing medical services (base or field hospitals or transport for example)
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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #11 on: Monday 10 November 14 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Newspaper clippings which may be of interest:

London Times , 07/04/00 (Saturday)
p12 The Galeka sailed from Southampton last night with 63 officers and 1,019 men and 53 horses for service in Rhodesia.  She will call at Teneriffe and then sail directly to Beira.  Those named are:
    Imperial Yeomanry – Lt.-Cols.  R.K. Parke, and St.  L.  Moore; Major S.J. De Burgh; Captains, R.L. Moore, C.  Barton, Sir Savile Crossley, A.  Nicholson, W.A. Peake, T.A. Hill, T.A. Martin, M.B.C.W. Warden, and H.C. Carden; Lieutenants, H.I. Fuller, D.  Marriott, W.C. Newton, Sir A.H. Armstrong, C.C. Macdowell, C.  Langford, H.I. Curley, C.I. Dyke, The Earl of Fingall, R.  Lamb, Sir R.  Nelson-Rycroft, Harvey Dales, R.B. Muir, ?.  A.  Belville, Sir F.F.C. Fowke, C.E. Challiner, J.H. Coles, L.E. Pilkington, J.H. Torrance, W.N. Clark, H.  Andrew, Sir W.F. Miller, N.  Hotchkiss, M.A. Peach, I.W.A. Parr, F.W.J. Jones, H.C. Harvey, J.  Browne, J. Corbet Warde, P.  Gabbett, O.N. Seagrave, H.C. Ca;dwell, T.S. Mulland, and J.A.G. Hamilton; Vet.  Officer F.  Gregory; Dr.  Whyte.

and a possible (although the Imperial Yeomanry could well have more than one officer named Miller):
London Times 06/11/00 (Tuesday)
p10b    The Scot left Cape Town for England on October 31 with the following on passage home:
    RA  – Maj.-Gen.  Downing & Capt.  Atlay
    Remount Dept.  – Capt.  Hughes
    2/Bedfordshire Regt.  – Lt.  Stevens
    Berkshire Regt.  – Maj.  McClintock
    Staff  — Capt.  Evelyn Wood
    I.Y.  – Capt.  Miller & Lt.  Cazenove
    RAMC  – Civil Surgeon J.B. Christopherson

London Times 17/11/00 (Saturday)
    The Scot arrived at Southampton yesterday with the following on passage home:
    RA  – Maj.-Gen.  Downing & Capt.  Atlay
    Remount Dept.  – Capt.  Hughes
    2/Bedfordshire Regt.  – Lt.  Stevens
    Berkshire Regt.  – Maj.  McClintock
    Staff  — Capt.  Evelyn Wood
    I.Y.  – Capt.  Miller & Lt.  Cazenove


source: http://www.britishmedals.us/files/sl1900.htm

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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #12 on: Monday 10 November 14 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again. It interesting that in the newspapers he is shown by his military rank (Capt.) but medical people appear in RAMC.
Did the Red Cross have a separate medical corps and would that mean that he was likely to have been a doctor or surgeon? Did medical staff get an automatic rank according to the type of medic they were?
As he seems to have been a "Sir" would that have meant he would have been awarded the rank anyway?
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 November 14 16:13 GMT (UK) »
If Sir W F Miller is the Captain Miller on board the Scot in November 1900, he would have to have gone out to South Africa again in order to be serving in the campaigns named on the clasps for the Queen's South Africa medal - so I can't guarantee this is him.

I don't know much about the RAMC during the Great War - I believe that the Red Cross worked alongside the RAMC but were separate from the army.
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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #14 on: Monday 10 November 14 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I will press on with searching and will post pictures of the other medals which were with these.
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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #15 on: Monday 10 November 14 16:39 GMT (UK) »
I think I found the medal card:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards-ww1.htm

A search for William F Miller in the corps Red Cross came up trumps.  The National Archive charges £3.30 to download a pdf file of the card (which won't give much information other than medal entitlement, rank and a date or two)

I'm looking forward to seeing the other medals.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 10 November 14 17:19 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I see what you mean.
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Re: Sir W.F. Miller. British medals are service during Victorian era and WW1
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Taking a closer look I see -
Top left on card R.A.M.C.  Royal Army Medical Corps. 
Top Right on card R.A.O.C Royal Army Ordnance Corps. 
Middle row left  R.A.M.C again
Middle row right R.A.V.C Royal Army Veterinary Corps
Lower row left  R.A.O.C again
Lower row right B.R.C. British Red Cross and S.J.J. Is this St.John Jesuit? This also has a different Roll number BRX/101B5 (?) where the others refer to the entry in the Corps box.
On the card shown in the middle row left there is an entry "Dept Suk BW&VM" then a Roll and Page number followed by a remark "Deleted Auth Emc 26* (?)

I also see that his rank is given as Pte (Private) in the top two, Sgt (Sergeant) in the left one middle row then Pte again with the last, bottom right, card not showing a rank. Would this mean he was not ranked when serving in the Red Cross & St John?
It seems strange that someone with a title, Sir, is not an officer.

Any thoughts on about these entries please?
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