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Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« on: Friday 18 September 09 14:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Guys and Gals......

My son in law,is the great great grandson, of Joseph Patrick Perry  , who , along with his partner, Alf Allan,, started the renowned Happy Valley Minstrels.......

"Joe" was born in 1855, at Newcastle on Tyne, and died 13th September 1904, at Granton House, Tudno Street, Llandudno......

I have his obituary, at the time of his death. But I would be really grateful, if someone could tell me if He has a MI. He was buried, I believe at St Tudno's......

This is quite a interesting family. "Joe" had two illegitimate  daughters. Marie, who I have managed to trace, born 14th October 1891, became a nun, and NELLIE , who was named in his obituary. I can find no trace of her, but she was "In a Convent School , abroad " at the time of his death.

I have found Marie, and her mother Mary Hughes, living at Taliesin Street, on the 1901 census. Mary is stated to be "Kept by a man ! On her birth certificate , Mary was Mary Perry, nee Hughes. There was no marriage.....

There appears to have been quite a lot of gossip, around the time of his death. His wife Sarah, had,  we think, a illegitimate ? son in 1891, at Portsea, in Hampshire.

Not sure how, or if, anyone can help us unravel this story. I would love to find Nellie. She may also have become a nun....don't blame her. As I said, quite a interesting family !

Kind Regards

JeannieR
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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 September 09 14:33 BST (UK) »
Hello JeannieR,

Having lived in Llandudno and with family going back there to the early 1900s, I know the Happy Valley and am aware of the history of entertainment there. Those were the days!

You might find that a post on Llandudno Local will get the anwers you are seeking. This site specialises in Llandudno and they have a number of people who either know about the past history, or are local and can access archives there. The link is http://www.llandudnolocal.co.uk

I have seen something about a group being set up called. "Friends of the Happy Valley".

Jo

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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 September 09 10:23 BST (UK) »
Hello JeannieR,

The post on Llandudno Local produces quite a result, including 2 photos of Joe Perry and his Happy Valley Minstrels. The photos are said to date from the 1890s.

These were taken from a book by Jim Roberts, titled, "Llandudno". I have not reproduced the photos for copyright reasons.

Jo



 

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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 September 09 10:42 BST (UK) »
Hello again,

I think "Joe" Perry was Patrick J Perry. I found him in Llandudno in the 1901 census under that name. Details are as follows:

84 Mostyn Street, Llandudno.

John Henry KITTS, head, mar, aged 41, Restaraunt and ---- caterer, own account, born Liverpool, Lancs.
Ellen J KITTS, wife, aged 30, Restaraunt and --- caterer, born Rhyl, Denbs.
John D HONIGAN, brother in law, assistant, aged 20, born Llandudno.
John D KITTS, son aged 4, born Llandudno.
Patrick J Perry, visitor, aged 45, married, Local Comedian, born Newcastle on Tyne.
Amy BLUNT, boarder, aged 27, unmarried, Confectioner's assistant, born Derby.

Do you know the name that Nellie, his illegitimate daughter, was baptised under?

Jo



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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 September 09 11:01 BST (UK) »
I will hopefully be going up to the St Tudnos Church in the next week or so. I will keep an eye out for any gravestone marked Perry and get a photo for you if I find it. If you would like photos of any buildings in Llandudno, just let me know.

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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 September 09 14:22 BST (UK) »
There are good views of St Tudno's Church and the cemetery on http://www.llandudno-parish.org.uk/sttudno.html

Jo

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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 31 October 09 12:38 GMT (UK) »
Jo, Dave......


I am so sorry. I did not realise, that I had not thanked you for your help. Very tardy of me !

Jo, thankyou for the information on the book. It is available on Amazon, so I think that will make a suitable gift for my son in law's 50th in December, specially if I get the tree done too....

Dave, if you do make it to the grave yard, I would be grateful if could get a photograph, if there is a MI.

Thank you both once again.

Jeannie
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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 January 11 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi
My great grandad was Peter Charles Perry who had a son (my grandad) also called Peter Charles Perry. He in turn had more children one of which is my dad. Charles Peter Perry who is still alive and well and lives in Liverpool. My dad does remember seeing a photo of his dad with the Happy valley minstrels. I hope this is of some use to you.

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Re: Joe Perry/ Happy Valley Minstrels / Llandudno
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 January 11 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello Woodsey,

And welcome to Rootschat.......

Since I posted my original question, I have done a lot of research on the Perry's. Was your Peter Charles Perry , born 1895 at Liverpool, The son of Charles Francis Perry and Mary Tierney ?

Until you have posted about four times, I cannot send you a personal message.

I have found the other illigitimate daughter of Joe. Her name was Emily Ellen Perry, and she was born 8th December 1889 at Llandudno. Like her sister she also became a nun.

I have to say, it was a complex family, but we do have a War Hero , who was awarded the MM !

I would be happy to share any information. However , at the moment , all my main findings are with the Perry family at the moment. I do however have quite a comprehensive tree built on soft ware....even have a photograph of Joe with The Happy Valley Minstrels. It do's require some restoration though......

Look forward to hearing from you.
JeannieR
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