Duncan Sinclair Darroch, born Kilian nr Inveraray, 1874

[Dougs123]

Regarding of illegitimate children, is it correct to say that if the child was accepted by the father then the surname of the child would be the same as the fathers, unless the father of the child was already married elsewhere and in this case only the middle name would be that of the father.

[loobylooayr]

Hi Dougs 123,

I have no idea if that G stands for Glassary. Maybe Monica will know.
I found the marriage of Mary Darroch on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, using my Miss Marple skills
I just keyed her name into the search and looked for a marriage in Argyll between the years of Duncan's birth and the next Census. When I got a hit I started going through the alphabet looking for a natch to the groom's name. Sounds really time consuming  but to be honest it didn't take me long.
Then I searched on FamilySearch for Mary Dawson in Argyll on 1881. Then I looked for a Duncan Dawson, making the assumption that Duncan Darroch took his stepfather's name when the couple married. Maybe Duncan never liked this arrangement . Because from the info found by Monica it looks like he changed by 1891 to Campbell and you yourself have proof of that with the 1901 and his marriage.
It wasn't unusual for illegitimate children at the time to be known by their father's surname even though it was not on the birth certificate. So Campbell may well have been Duncan's biological father's name and Archibald could well have been his first name. Then again it may have been a name Duncan made up to look "respectable" when he married. Did he call a son Archibald?

Do you have Duncan's death cert? Does that give parents names (although of course that info is only as good as the knowledge of the person who provided it)?

But to conclude ...yes I think Duncan Darroch became Duncan Dawson became Duncan Campbell.

Maybe Mary's death in 1923 would be worth looking at, see who registered it and it will give you her parents names.

Looby

[loobylooayr]

Regarding of illegitimate children, is it correct to say that if the child was accepted by the father then the surname of the child would be the same as the fathers, unless the father of the child was already married elsewhere and in this case only the middle name would be that of the father.

Sorry our last posts clashed.
A father's name could only be recorded on a birth certificate of an illegitimate child if he was present at the registration, I believe. But often children were known and called by their fathers' names if he accepted them or if their father's name was common knowledge in their community-  and that can cause confusion on Census searches!
I don't know that the applies to married men who fathered a baby with an unwed girl And I'm not sure about the middle name being the father's in that case. I tend to find that middle names are grandparents names/ other relatives name/ even the minister's name (in the case of the devout . Maybe someone else will know the answer to that one.

Certainly the name Sinclair must have meant something to Mary Darroch for her to use it.

Looby

[Dougs123]

Jean McNeill's mother was Mary Dawson ?

Duncan Campbell and Jean McNeill"s 5 children were
Neill, Ian Douglas, Mrytle Helen, Jean (Sheena}, Margaret.

I am descended from Ian Douglas Campbell, hence my name Douglas

Duncan became a mechanical engineer specialising in electrical motors for ship building at Clydebank.

I never found Duncan's death, it was too complicated to find, was I looking for a Darroch, Campbell, Sinclair, and now a Dawson? It would be for the registra to determine.

[MonicaL]

Sounds like you are making lots of headway now with Looby's help 

Sometimes to try and find a married man's death, it can help to look for the wife's first as married women's deaths are registered in Scotland under both their maiden and married surnames, which helps when narrowing down options.

Have you considered looking at the marriage cert for Mary Darroch and Hugh Dawson to see what shows for her parents details? Will give you something to compare also with that death that Looby has mentioned as a good possibilitity for Mary Darroch/Dawson.

Who were the witnesses to Duncan and Jean's marriage?

Monica

[Dougs123]

Witnesses on marriage were

Allan McGregor
And
? Livingston

The father on marriage is Archibald Campbell quarrier
Mother Mary Campbell, ms Darroch.

[MonicaL]

So, the names don't necessarily connect as yet to the names you are so far seeing.

Have you been able as yet to confirm Mary Darroch's parents yet?

Monica

[loobylooayr]

Hi Dougs123,

Mary Dawson was Duncan Sinclair Darroch/ Campbell's mother, I believe.
You should have Jean McNeill's parents names on her marriage cert to Duncan.
Duncan Campbell on marriage has given his father's name as Archibald Campbell (quarrier).This could be correct but equally it could be fictional name made up to give him respectability i.e a legal father. Duncan would not have been the first or the last to do that
Also giving his mother's name as Mary Campbell ms Darroch. Either the registrar presumed that his parents were married and erroneously made Mary a Campbell or Duncan was economical with the truth again or maybe Mary and Archibald Campbell did marry and we haven't found the record yet.

As Monica recommends look at Mary Darroch and Hugh Dawson's marriage record and see if Mary was a widow or spinister.

Looby 

Post amended as I'd gave Duncan the wrong forename earlier. Ooops!

[Dougs123]

I'll do a search later today after I've checked the info I've already got on archive. Looby has opened up this problem, I'll check Mary Darroch/Dawson's death on Scotlandspeople.

I have a birth on archive of Mary Darroch born 1841 to Daniel Darroch and Ann Altridge, I am now in a position I can prove or disprove this. Many many thanks.

Regarding what Duncan changed his name to Campbell, I now believe again that Duncan knew who his father was as he refers to him as a quarrier, I just need to track down the correct Archibald Campbell, and find out what the Sinclair connection was. I know the Campbell's of Auchendrain were married into the Sinclairs, but which ones?