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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 17 April 14 04:42 BST (UK) »
You probably have Owen E M Davies marriage announcement http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14373454

Interesting that it appeared in a Sydney newspaper

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 17 April 14 04:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this Rosball -- had seen this before, but certainly wasn't aware it had been published in an Australian newspaper.  Rather intriguing.  Always thought this must have been a pretty amazing wedding, with so many vicars assisting in it!

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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 17 April 14 04:54 BST (UK) »
In 1856 Owen Davies of 11th regiment was at Cockatoo Island convict establishment (and thanks the surgeon Henry Walter Ainslie for his services to the families).

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28638914

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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 17 April 14 05:09 BST (UK) »
Some trivia (which doesn't help your search) in September 1857,Mr  Owen Davies of the 11th regiment attended the Mayor's Fancy Dress Ball.  Doesn't give his costume  :(

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13000723

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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 17 April 14 05:13 BST (UK) »
Cox & Co Australian Almanac 1857  page 221 (FindMyPast)
My reading of of a list of officers  from Colonel down to Ensigns:

Military Establishments. Regiments in the Colonies SYDNEY 11th (North Devon)

Lieutenants, …….  Owen Davies, 6th June, 1854

Facings green.   Agent, Messrs. Cox & Co.

ALSO :

I wonder if David was baptised at St Matthias, Paddington?  And the parish register has misfiled itself somewhere, or was recorded in the Military register that may have stayed with the regiment? …. St Matthias  commences 1855 with services as a C of E School as well as the Garrison Church for Victoria Barracks….  I wonder where Rev Thomas WILSON’s parish register would be, OR his diary?  http://www.matthias.org.au/files/pdf/history_of_st_matthias_church.pdf 

Diocese of Sydney and Ancestry announcement about uploading C of E Diocese of Sydney (includes St Matthias, Paddington) registers

http://www.archives.anglican.asn.au/index.php/p2/family_history

"We are currently planning a mass digitization project with Ancestry.com which will provide even wider public access to the information contained in our baptism, confirmation, marriage and burial registers."

ALSO
This pdf has a reference for Max Kelly’s book Paddock Full of Houses : Paddington 1840-1890. 
http://paddingtonuca.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/History-of-Village-Church-Land-Acquisitions-and-USe.pdf     
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/9361863?selectedversion=NBD1621787 

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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 17 April 14 05:32 BST (UK) »
Hi JM,
Can you help with any information about Port View House before it became the Foundling Home in 1875?

This is the birthplace of the 2 children found by Wivenhoe.

Sue

Well errr ..... no I have not found Port View House  :-[ , but will this help a tad  :)


I can find a SEA VIEW VILLA   shown on 1844 map in the “History of Village church  ……. Pdf” page 9.   On North eastern side of  South Head Road (ie today’s Oxford St) at the eastern end of the map, past Elizabeth St

Perhaps an email to Woollahra Local History Library refering to that pdf and the live link and asking for them to check the Tracing of B J  12.9.1955 referenced P2 1844 (several sheets, perhaps Sheet 2, but not sure)  ???

( that pdf =
http://paddingtonuca.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/History-of-Village-Church-Land-Acquisitions-and-USe.pdf   ) 

At same time perhaps ask if they know of a connection between Owen DAVIES of the 11th Regiment and their Mayor in 1953 after whom the Davies Reserve, Cnr Queen and Oxford Streets, Woollahra is name (remember that Oxford St was earlier known as South Head Road).  http://www.woollahra.nsw.gov.au/library/local_history/local_history_fast_facts/d
http://www.woollahra.nsw.gov.au/library/local_history
http://www.woollahra.nsw.gov.au/council/contact_us

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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 17 April 14 08:22 BST (UK) »
For you interest I have been able to check registration numbers either side of #2445 at  Paddington in 1856. I looked at the three preceding and three following.  None seemed  relevant 

 I did this because it is possible for a transcriber to attribute a child to the wrong parents simply by slipping or missing a line in the original record.

In other words, I wondered whether David E J belonged to others nearby on the register and Mary C was accidentally listed above or below.

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Re: NSW birth -- David E J DAVIES: look-up please!
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 17 April 14 16:43 BST (UK) »
So sorry not to have gotten back earlier to thank you all for your much-apreciated additional work -- am in a different time zone (obviously) so went to bed, and then had a doctor's appointment in town first thing.

Rosball, I enjoyed reading the two newspaper articles you found.  To judge from the professions of Capt Davies' colleagues listed as co-signatories in the Cockatoo convict island piece, it looks as though there was some sort of significant building works going on there at the time.  And it was very interesting to read the types of different costumes people chose for fancy dress at the Mayor's Ball (which appears to have been attended by hundreds of people!).

MAJM, thank you for your further thoughts pursuing why David's baptismal record may not have yet come to light, and for the link to PDF about Paddington and suggestion to try e-mailing Woollahra Local History Library.  This is most useful.

Sparrett, Thank you so much for taking time out to check that David wasn't attributed by mis-transcription to wrong parents in light of Mary's also being born in 1856 -- I'm still having difficulty accepting that he truly existed as Owen Davies' and Jane's child.  There are a couple of references in slightly later-dated family documents to the number of children this couple have, and David makes one too many!  I think that he must either have died as a baby/toddler or for some reason not have been brought up by this family.

Y'all have significantly expanded/potentially expanded my knowledge of Captain Owen Davies' time in Australia -- I am most grateful to you. :)  I have very much enjoyed my time with you!

Thank you all again so much.

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 24 April 14 08:23 BST (UK) »
This pdf has a reference for Max Kelly’s book Paddock Full of Houses : Paddington 1840-1890. 
http://paddingtonuca.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/History-of-Village-Church-Land-Acquisitions-and-USe.pdf     
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/9361863?selectedversion=NBD1621787 

Finally found my copy of the book.  It had managed to get itself not just misplaced but also it was  'undressed' so its dustcover has yet to be found.  The cover has BIG TEXT while the hardcover is smaller text and err .... anyways, here's a quote from that book

“ ‘Portview House’, currently 10 Windsor Street, was built for £588 in 1880 (including costs of ‘expensive’ interior finish and of 20 feet of land at £7 per foot). Om 1882 it was sold for £850.”

That's from page 85.  There's a (1978ish) photo on that page of the Portview House.   It is part of a terrace, it is two storey, there's the usual chimney, balcony on first floor, front veranda on ground, and lots of decorative ironwork. 

I have been onto google street view, and it is still there  :D  There's the same narrow alleyway (probably originally for access for the nightsoil man) , and the same decorative ironwork on the balcony, (newer ironwork on the ground floor veranda), even the same electricity switchboard on the wall.   The hedge has grown (of course) and a newer letter box.   The photo in the book is in black and white, but it was obviously painted in a light colour, perhaps in similar shades to google's image  ;D

PS,  I suspect that once the Regiments were withdrawn by Britain in 1870ish, that the original Port View House, (likely at that same address, but on a larger land holding) may have been demolished so that the terraces were then constructed on that site.  HOWEVER, the local Council would be a sensible place to ask for NONspeculative information as "JM conjecture" is not fair.

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