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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 28 January 14 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brionne:  thanks for the info on Wilts Removal Orders.  That family doesn't appear to be directly related to our lot (so far), but they must be of the larger family so it is worth knowing.

Dee-Jay - yes Edmund Hatter married Elizabeth Granger and they are the ancestors I am trying to obtain more information about.  Specifically how/why they died.   

FastFusion - I looked on the Wilts site for a probate doc and was not able to locate anything.

Thanks everyone.
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 09:28 GMT (UK) »
It has already been said that the death certificates are probably the only way to discover the cause of death but you may be lucky and find that the church burial register has clues, especially if there happened to be an epidemic of some sort at the time.   Can you order the film of the local church register to search at your nearest LDS family history centre?   It will probably be the one where the children were baptised.
The fact is that people did die young from illnesses that are easily cured nowadays.   Many did not live to a ripe old age.

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 09:51 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 10:13 GMT (UK) »
especially if there happened to be an epidemic of some sort at the time.
There is a list of epidemics here:
http://www.kdfhs.org.uk/index.php?Itemid=30&id=1&option=com_content&view=article

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Carol, in your original post you say Elizabeth died in 1861, but I wonder what the source of that information is? I see from FreeBMD that there is a death registration for Elizabeth Hatter in Sep qtr 1857 Devizes (vol 5a page 60), which is the right registration district for Bromham. As has already been pointed out, the Hatter children were already distributed amongst relatives by the time of the census in April 1861.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 21:38 GMT (UK) »
josie ,  that was an interesting link........    explains a lot   i can see at a distance where some parishes have large deaths rates of infants etc.........     interesting stuff......
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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 23:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi all thanks so much for the follow-up!!   I am learning a lot:)

Sillgen - I am not entirely sure what you mean with regard to the LDS?  Are you suggesting I contact the Latter Day Saints churches here in Canada to obtain that type of record for the UK?
YoungTug - thanks for that Link to the British Newspapers... I did do a search to see if the Hatter name popped up for that time/area, but it is certainly worth having another go at it and perhaps broadening the dates.  I think I searched for her Husband Charles rather than Elizabeth so will try that as well.
Josey - thanks for the Epidemics info, I didn't even know that was available!!! 
AVM - Elizabeth's death is most likely 1859 as per:
Elizabeth Hatter
Date of Registration:    Jul-Aug-Sep 1859
Registration District:    Devizes
Inferred County:    Wiltshire
Volume:    5a
Page:    60

However, that being said, there is also a death record for Elizabeth Hatter in the same area for 1861 which I also have as a potential option.  I must have used that date in the original post.
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 29 January 14 23:59 GMT (UK) »
Youngtug... LOL  When I searched for Elizabeth Hatter - in the  Thursday 28 November 1839 ,  Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette ,  Wiltshire, England - there was a piece about an Isaac Webb being charged with stealing a "quantity of potatoes" from Elizabeth Hatter of Bromham. 

It is unlikely it is the same Elizabeth though because she would only have been 16 at the time and she didn't marry Edmond until 1847.

As far as I have determined Edmond's mother was Jane Hatter, so this must have been another relative.
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: Why did the Hatter's die so young?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 30 January 14 00:52 GMT (UK) »
AVM - Elizabeth's death is most likely 1859 as per:
Elizabeth Hatter
Date of Registration:    Jul-Aug-Sep 1859
Registration District:    Devizes  Volume:    5a   Page: 60

However, that being said, there is also a death record for Elizabeth Hatter in the same area for 1861 which I also have as a potential option.  I must have used that date in the original post.

This was why I raised the unanswered query in my earlier post.  I didn't want you to instigate a certificate purchase for an unsubstantiated death.

Is anyone on this forum local enough to check the burials for Chittoe?  According to FamilySearch the marriage and baptisms were held there, so it's likely the burials might be there also?

I did notice two other Chittoe baptisms 05 Dec 1852 [Eliza Martha & Mary] with parentage 'Edwin' & Elizabeth, which could be an error, as I found only one Edwin in 1851 born Sussex in prison up-country and none in 1861!  At least one, if not both, of those babes appear to have been possible infant mortalities in 1853 and 1854 respectively.
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