Sarah Powell aka Chilvers b Walthamstow mystery

[Ladyhawk]

London Electoral register
1912/13/14
1 Glebe Road
Alfred Chilvers

1924/25/27/28 Bermondsey
1 Glebe Road
Alfred Snr & Jnr. Chilvers

1936 Bermonsdey
1 Glebe Road
Alfred, Alfred William James & Gladys May Chilvers

Not sure if these relate to the persons above

Gladys May Chilvers Birth Date:   20 Feb 1903
Date of Registration:   Mar 1992 Great Yarmouth Norfolk
Volume:   10 Page:   1498

Alfred William J Chilvers Apr-May-Jun 1915 St Olave Bermondsey
Volume:   1d Page:   217

AWJC married Dartford Jun 1942 E N Knight

Alfred William J Chilvers Birth Date: 5 Oct 1932
Date of Registration:   Mar 1981 Greenwich
Volume:   12 Page:   1290
burial http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xij/

[Ladyhawk]

1901 census
Alfred Chilvers 23 Harleston Norfolk labourer in  coal trade
Alice Chilvers 21 (1880) Bermondsey
Alfred 13 months Walthamstow
Sarah Powel 60 mother in law Richmond Surrey fish dealer

RG13/1629/23
Cromes Road No 17 Walthamstow

You may want to check out the following info. to see if it leads anywhere

checked the 1911 free index for Sarah Powell b Richmond mother in law this might be her - noted as mother in law
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWPG-5XC

1911 William Arnold Powell
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWRN-TC7

1901 census
Henry W Powell 57 (age lookas as if it should read 37 - b1864)
Elizabeth 30, William 10, Florence 8, Walter 6, Elizabeth 4 Alice 1

Marriage Jun 1890
Henry Walter Powell name on same page Elizabeth Emily Burchfield
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJSJ-PQF
Married after banns, Both single, both signed, Witnesses were J Good & Ellen Coyle
Father William Arnold Powell occ porter

Parents Henry Walter Powell occ Porter m Elizabeth Emily
William Arthur 10 Dec 1890 St George the Martyr
Florence Alice 3 Jul 1892
Elizabeth Beatrice 7 Feb 1897 St Mary Magdalene
Alice 7 Jan 1900
Frederick Henry 16 Apr 1902

possible marriage for Henry Walter POWELL's parents

Marriage Sep 1861 Marylebone
William Arnold POWELL name on same page Sarah Elizabeth SKINNER
Married 28 July 1861, both single, both signed witnesses Henry Skinner & Elizabeth Powell
William Arnold Powell 24 occ stone mason 32 Nightingale St f Charles stone mason
Sarah Elizabeth Skinner 21, 12 Samford St f Henry Tobacco Pipe Maker

change of occupation for William Arnold Powell

Bapts St Paul Bermondsey
Father William Arnold POWELL porter/Lab. M Sarah Elizabeth
abodes Winchester St & 7a Kings Place
Ellen born 26 Apr 1869 & Sarah Jane born 27 Dec 1872 bapt. 19 Jan 1873
Alice Emily born 14 Nov 1878 & William Stanley born 22 Dec 1880 bapt 21 Mar 1883

I'm wondering if dau. Alice Emily Powell b1878 is the Alice Chilvers on 1901 census with her mother Sarah Powell

Powell family lodging 7 Kings Pl. 1871c RG10; Piece: 628; Folio: 54; Page: 42
William Powell 33 occ Porter , Sarah 30, Walter 8 & Ellen 1 All born London

1881c Arnold W Powell & family https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ7C-7YK

Arnold occ Mason (1861c) with parents Chas occ stone mason & Sarah Powell
1861 RG 9; Piece: 325; Folio: 56; Page: 52 -  address 16 Kings Place
1851 HO107; Piece: 1570; Folio: 150; Page: 24

Hopefully you have got plenty of info. to work with and check out

Good luck - hope you find all the answers you're looking for

Please come back and let us know how you get on 

[suttking]

Thanks to everyone for your help, I really have something to get my teeth into. I am hoping that the Children's Society will have her records as this may tie in with the details here. Paul.

[Ladyhawk]

I really have something to get my teeth into. I am hoping that the Children's Society will have her records as this may tie in with the details here.

Will keep my fingers crossed that it does

Just to say checked the address 11 Havant Road on  London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 available on Ancestry

these were the only dates that came up for No 11

Dates 1903 - 08 Hackney Central
Name of Elector:  Joseph WILMAN
Place of abode 11 Havant Road Walthamstow
Nature of qualification:  Yard
Descp of qualifying property:  Wilman’s  Yard, Wilman Grove

1901 census shows Joseph WILMAN with his family and his occupation is a Builder living at No 63 Havant Road
looked at page 2 of this census and the address starts with Wyatts Lane then No 4 – 14 Havant Rd crossed through, next number starts at 16

The only other date for that particular No. was for 1965 and the Gooden family are living there

[suttking]

After a long wait the Children's society have provided records confirming Sarah's parents were indeed Alfred Chilvers and Alice Powell, they were unmarried but apparently Alice had four children with Alfred, Sarah and Alfred jnr, plus two unnamed as yet. 
There is a note to say Alfred Chilvers along with an Alfred Tilling were convicted at Chelmsford quarter sessions 1/7/1908 of assault resulting in gbh on Alice on 6th & 7th June 1908. She ended up in the West Ham Workhouse infimary. I can find the report from the sessions, but would the assault of been reported elsewhere, it seems serious?
Sarah  aged 8, appeared in court at Stratford on 8th jan 1909, apparently "beyond the control of the guardians" The bench sent her to the Waifs and Strays home. This was apparently reported in the Morning Advertiser that day.   
Sarah left the home in July 1916 and was released into the hands of the West Ham board of guardians, her whereabouts are unknown after that.
If anybody can find the reports on either the GBH or Sarah's court appearance i would be grateful also not sure how I would find the other two children born to Alice & Alfred. They were born between 1901 and 1908. At the time of the assault she was living at 35 tenby Road walthamstow and when she is admitted to the infirmary three of her children were said to be "chargeable" , not sure what that means!

[dawnsh]

Hi

Before the introduction of the welfare state, the Board of Guardians for the parish where you settled was responsible for your welfare should you fall on hard times.

In this instance the costs involved in the care of the children was chargeable to the Board of Guardians.

Have a look at www.workhouses.org for more information.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestHam/

Essex Archives may also be able to help further with any information you are looking for.

I do know that some Essex papers have been digitised and appear on the British Newspaper Archive which you can access directly for a small fee or through a subscription with FindMyPast. Also check out your local library if you don't have access to either as many are now taking up their own subscriptiosn as they have done in the past with The Times archive.

Dawn