POWELL - Radnorshire

[lasota]

I could quite belive it! Merediths daughter florence married twice and was quite a isadora duncan around town apparently.

That explains why you need experience such as yours to work these census things out. I would never have thought they the same people.

wendy

[suzard]

1891
Llanwrthwl
address
Penrhys
Edward hamer Head M 42 Gen lab
Mary hamer wife 98
both b. Llanwrthwl brecon
RG12 4584 72 2

Death
Jun qtr 1891
Rhayder
Edward Hamer
age 42
11b 142

Death
Mar qtr 1910
Rhayder
Mary Hamer
age 88
1b 106

probably Mary was entered as Powell on 1901 as Meredith said she was his mother

Suz

[suzard]

Now let's see if there's a catherine Ann Powell around???

Suz

[jorose]

Second marriage of Mary:

Edward Hamer and Mary Powell, Jan/Feb/Mar 1877, Rhayader  11b/202

There is a possible birth for Meredith:
Meredith Powell, Jul/Aug/Sep 1864, Rhayader 11b/183

For the witness, there is a possible Catherine Ann Powell b. Jul/Aug/Sep 1870, Rhayader 11b/167, who in 1881 may be the Catherine A. Powell b. 'Llanwrthol' living in Nantmel, Radnor, with widowed mother Margaret.

1861 census, "Llanwrthwl Lower Division, Radnorshire", RG9/4237 94/6 has:
John Powel, 57, farmer of 70 acres, widowed,b. Nan??, Radnorshire
Rees, 25, son, b. Llanwrthwl
Mary, 22, dau, b. Llanwrthwl
Jane, 1?, dau, b. dit
William, 10, son, b. dit
Evan, 8, son, b. dit
Ann, 6, dau, b. dit
Mary, 1, grand daughter (daur's child), b. dit

There is a possible 1863 marriage, Rhayader, Apr/May/Jun, John Powell and Mary Jones, 11b/329.  I think you'll need Meredith's birth certificate to get further back.

[lasota]

ok will try to get that. It seems confusing now.
thanks again for all your help.
I will try to work out what mary got up to. dad justs says she was a funny one!

I will go for meredith born 1865 as on 1871 census not 1867 as on his marriage cert.

thanks again

wendy

[suzard]

Good info Jorose

I had come up with the same Catherine Ann as you - there was a Catherine married to David powell in the area -but she turned out to be catherine J.

Wendy,

Ages are often a little vague on marriage certs.

If you purchase meredith's birth cert (you can do it on line £7) then you will get his mother's maiden name.

to simplify things -it looks a possiblity that mary married John Powell in 1863 -and he was the widower John Powel from 1861 census- he would be quitea few years older than Mary- his d.o.b. would be c. 1804.

In 1861 john Powel had daughter Ann age 6 with him - this is possibly the Ann Powell age 15 (Servant) who is with Mary, Meredith and Daniel in 1871.

If this John is (as we suspect) meredith's father then this could be his death reg

John Powell
Jun qtr 1869
age 64
Rhayader
Volume 11b page 129

Meredith's birth cert should confirm if his mother's maiden name was Jones.

You do need certificates to confirm relationships

it is a little confusing when you first start looking -if you are unsure about/don't understand anything, please ask -there are plenty of us willing to assist.

Hope dad has a super 70th

Suz

[lasota]

thanks again all. Now i know you are there i will ask

Have sent for certificates already as so excited now. wont sleep a wink.!!

I am just so grateful. so will my family be.

thnaks again will let you know how i get on

wendy

[suzard]

Will be interesting to hear the outcome

If mary was mary Jones and was unmarried at time of her marriage to John (she could have married previously!) then i have possibilities for her in 1851/61

Will leave that until the certificate arrives - don't want to put you on overload!!!! -and then find out we are going in the wrong direction!!!!

By the way-this looks a possibility for Daniel's birth reg
Daniel powell
Dec qtr 1868
Rhayader
Volume 11b Page 165


Suz

[lasota]

hi got certificates!!What was so interesting is that mary couldnt write cos she put her mark on the marriage cert.
Info i got is  mary jones spinster married john powell both ages full.
address caesbac farm
parish llanwrthal brecon.

johns father    john powell
mary father     meredith jones both farmers

so that my great great grandparents paternal? she re-married at  to yes a  year old! bless her
  richard hamer in rhayader brecon and radnor mary was then at penrhos edward rhoscyoch

I have tried on free cen and bmd and cant find any traces.

how would i find more personal information perhaps on the farms etc?
Telling dad some of this has made his long term memory more vivid and he has tried to talk a litttle about them it is so gret to hear.

thanks again

wendy