BRIERLEY/BRIERLY Selston MIs pls

[kah]

I hope that SKS will be able to help with MIs at St Helen's, Selston for
the following & their families:

John BRIERLY (bur 13 Jan 1858, age 75)

John BRIERLEY (bur 05 Oct 1878, age 78)

I'm helping research a WWI soldier Harry Lowry MOFFITT who died 19 Jul 1917 in Fromelles France. He is thought to be one of the soldiers exhumed from a mass grave about five years ago. We are expanding his tree back into the past, as well as coming forward so that we may connect to living family members.

Harry MOFFITT's maternal great-grandmother was Mary BRIERLY, bap 12 Mar 1826 at Selston, d of John & Ann BRIERLY.

There are, however, two different families of John & Ann BRIERLY in Selston that overlap to a certain extent.
The MIs would help clarify this situation, especially as the burial registers don't include relationships.

Family 1 : 26 Mar 1805. John BRIERLY mar Ann fmr? POTTER 
Family 2 : 17 Feb 1820. John BRIERLY mar Ann fmr? SHACROFT

also from the burial register:
15 Aug 1824. Anne BRIERLY, abode Selston, age 46 years
03 Jul 1861. Ann BRIERLEY, abode Selston, age 60 years

Mary BRIERLY married elsewhere in Nottinghamshire, and is neither the 1841 or 1851 census with her parents. Mary d in 1854 in London.
Mary's daughter & Harry's mother, Rebecca Susanna Hannah MINNS (1852-1952), emigrated to Australia.

(just a note: the Selston BMB registers on microfilm have been checked, as have the census records)

more info Fromelles Association: facebook  http://tinyurl.com/pjrykvv
Harry's story: Australians on the Western Front 1914-1918  http://tinyurl.com/l6kdr3w

Thanks!

[Annie65115]

I'm sorry, I've had a look but my CDs don't cover baptisms at Selston (and I think my BMD CDs are the most up to date!)

I can confirm the MMN in the two marriages:

1805 03 26   John   BRIERLEY   Ann   POTTER   

1820 02 17   John   BRIERLY   Ann   SHACROFT   

There's always the possibility of course that this could be the same man with 2 marriages?

[kah]

Thanks Annie for checking your CDs.

Yes, these two John BRIERLY's are two distinct individuals. Both are in the C1841 & C1851. The older John B is widowed in both census.

My thinking is that the MIs for these two John B's would hopefully confirm whether or not the burial of Anne B in 1824 (age 46) was that of the wife of the elder John B.

If this is the case, then the parents of Mary BRIERLY bap 1826 would very likely be the younger John B & Ann SHACROFT.

Your input is much appreciated - thanks!

[Annie65115]

I really don't know why Selston is so poorly represented on these CDs; it's not on the baptism CD at all, and only the years 1811 - 1819 are covered on the burial CD.

with the archives office closed at the moment, I'm not sure where else you can look.

[nottsgirl1]

Hi,

The NFHS have new CD's that was released in March of this year and they have Selston christenings and burials form 1694 to 1900 on them. I don't yet have the new disc's but hoping to get them soon.

I'm hoping to go into the Central Library Local studies sometime over the next few weeks as I know they have parish records there so will look to see if they have anything for Selston.


Wendy

[Annie65115]

Gosh, that was a quick update because I think my discs are 2013!

Are there many other differences between the latest version and the prev one?

[nottsgirl1]

Hi Annie,

Yes they did bring them out quick my disc's are from 2011 so do need to update them.  The new disc's are on sale at the moment.

here's links for what's been added only baptisms and burials have been update

http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/images/stories/projects/NewBaptismParishesForV7.pdf

http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/images/stories/projects/NewBurialsParishesForV7.pdf

and for dates

http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/images/stories/projects/ParishRegisterList.pdf

Wendy

[Dizzifish]

Hello 

Mary BRIERLY married elsewhere in Nottinghamshire, and is neither the 1841 or 1851 census with her parents.

MARRIAGE - NOTTINGHAM St Nicholas - 7th Nov 1846
James MINNS & Mary BRIERLY

James & Mary Minns and their family are here in 1851.......

1851 - HO107 /Piece1472 /Folio 282 /Page 45 - Christ Church Schools Boys, Chelsea, Middlesex.

[kah]

Thanks to everyone for their replies.

.. to Dizzifish - especially for the marriage info (church identified) for James MINNS & Mary BRIERLY.

I checked on the Notts FHS site yesterday. It looks like Selston baptisms & burials are part of an ongoing project. As in my first posting, the Selston BMB registers on microfilm have been checked, so nothing further is needed for those records.
The only census for which Mary BRIERLY hasn't been found is 1841 (we have her & her parents etc in 1841+).

The MIs for Selston are part of the "Monumental Inscriptions of the British Isles", a work which has been microfilmed.

In coming forward with Mary B's living descendants, and ultimately to identify Harry MOFFITT's remains, we need to follow the female line. This case needs to go back to Mary's mother and Mary's female siblings, because this is the only level where there are female lines with likely living descendants.

Thus, correctly placing Mary B with her mother is essential.

Many thanks!