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Re: Tooze or Dudd? A mystery in Ottery St Mary
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 15:54 BST (UK) »
Just can't find Robert in 1851.  However this is a Robert Tooze criminal register entry for 1855 Devon "not guilty" something bounds to do grievous bodily harm?
Trial 15 March 1855.

Do you know where he was living when he died?
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Re: Tooze or Dudd? A mystery in Ottery St Mary
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 15:57 BST (UK) »
However this is a Robert Tooze criminal register entry for 1855 Devon "not guilty" something bounds to do grievous bodily harm?
Trial 15 March 1855.


This fellow was younger than our Robert - 38 according to a news report of the trial dated 21 March 1855 (Western Times).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Tooze or Dudd? A mystery in Ottery St Mary
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 16:38 BST (UK) »
This was a Robert Tooze from Culmstock. I found a news story and it appears he took a pot shot at someone.

I've got the burial record for Robert Tooze Dudd, New Street, Ottery St Mary, aged 66, dated 15th May 1857, so that's a tentative date of birth of 1791.

Just can't find Robert in 1851.  However this is a Robert Tooze criminal register entry for 1855 Devon "not guilty" something bounds to do grievous bodily harm?
Trial 15 March 1855.

Do you know where he was living when he died?

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Re: Tooze or Dudd? A mystery in Ottery St Mary
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 09 October 14 16:57 BST (UK) »
Got it. Just looked again at the original sheet from the parish records. It's not "27" it's 2y, as in 2 years. There's another entry on the same sheet for a child died 3y 6m which backs that up and an entry for someone else who died aged 27, and the 7 is written differently.

One has to wonder whether the mysterious Louisa Tooze Dudd of Sandhill St buried aged "27" in 1850 is the same person as the Louisa Twose baptised in 1847 and never seen again.

Possibly there was a mix up by the person writing up the burial register and she was not 27 years old but actually 2 years 7 months or 27 months?

I see that the burial ceremony was not performed by the vicar Sidney W Cornish (who did another burial that day) but by one R H Podmore M.A., Ch Pr.

Perhaps Mr Podmore's notes were not in the neatest of hands, and the vicar misread them when entering details up in the register (which is all in one hand, despite several names officiating in the period)?


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Re: Tooze or Dudd? A mystery in Ottery St Mary
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 09 October 14 17:20 BST (UK) »
Got it. Just looked again at the original sheet from the parish records. It's not "27" it's 2y, as in 2 years. There's another entry on the same sheet for a child died 3y 6m which backs that up and an entry for someone else who died aged 27, and the 7 is written differently.


Yes - looking at it now, I agree entirely.

Well that's the Louisa issue sorted, at least ;)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)