Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne

[Ruskie]

I have just looked up the 1881 and see parents are William and Elizabeth.

If Mary's marriage certificate says her father is William, then you are likely to have found the right family in 1881. If you back this up with Mary Panphrase's birth certificate which also names her parents as William and Elizabeth, then you can be sure you have the correct Mary and the correct family. 

[G_B_W]

Thank you CaroleW,
How would I buy her birth certificate? This is a new adventure for me.

[CaroleW]

Hi

You can order online using the link below - you will need to register first.  Copies cost £9.25 included postage

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

If you are not comfortable ordering online - you can ring them and give them the info (ie) name as shown on registration - district = Taunton and then the quarter and volume/page number

Any problems - just send me a pm by clicking on the little green box under my name (left hand side of screen)

[Ruskie]

Looking at the places of birth of the children in the 1881 census, I suspect the family might be in Wales in 1871. But. I can't find them. 

[Ruskie]

Marriages for William Pen*ra*e with an Elizabeth on the same page:

Marriages Jun 1847 
PENPRASE  William     Helston  9 163   

Marriages Dec 1857
Penprase  William     Abergavenny  11a 141   

Marriages Sep 1861 
Penpraze  William     Redruth  5c 395

Helston is the closest distance wise to Wendron where Elizabeth says she was born, however if William and Elizabeth married in 1847 you would expect several children born before Mary A in 1864. This is where the 1871 census would come in handy.

Of course they may not have married in Elizabeth's parish in which case the 1861 marriage looks most likely.

The birth certificate of Mary Panphrase should solve the problem though as it will give Elizabeth's maiden name. 

[Ruskie]

I might be on the wrong track here, but in the 1861 census I have found a William Pinpraze age 40, copper miner, with a wife Jane age 35. No children. This William is born Illogan and Jane is b St Agnes. RG 9/ Piece 1582/ Folio 30/ Page 26
(there is a possible matching William in 1851 age 30 unmarr with parents Edward and Maria)

I note that Illogan and Camborne are only a couple of miles apart.

Perhaps this explains why William seems relatively old to have such young children. 

In which case the 1861 marriage for William to Elizabeth Allen is more likely.
1861 census taken in April, Jane dies (?), William marries Elizabeth in Sept 1/4 1861?
It's possible. 

More investigation required.

[G_B_W]

Thank you for the info, CaroleW. I will order a certificate tomorrow. I noticed that there is a William Penpraze in the 1901 census, listed as a pauper, 80 years old, living in the Redruth Union Workhouse. Sad to think about such hard times. Thank you all for the help!

[CaroleW]

When you get the birth cert, post details here and we can then see if we can get any further back for you

[G_B_W]

Thank you all. I just ordered the birth certificate for Mary Ann Panphrase. It will be despatched Aug 19 and will take more time for international delivery. I will report the details when it arrives.