Burls / Vanstone marriage in Gibraltar

[KGarrad]

No problem!!

We all make mistakes
I once followed the wrong man, believing him to be my grandfather, and his family, for a few years!
Same forename and surname, born in Wiltshire - just not him!

[gc1]

OK KGarrard

Lets see if I've got it right this time 

Muriel Vanstone 1901(3) Married Fredirick A Burls (1896) - My wife's grandparents
Daughter of
Frederick W Vanstone (1872) and Mary G Cock (1875)
Brother of
John James Vanstone (1867)
Parents of Frederick & John
James A Vanstone (1841) and Sarah J Andrews (1847)
Sarah's Parents
Mary Andrews (1829) and
(Do you know Mary's maiden name?)

James A Vanstone Parents
??

How did I do and any more info you can add

Do you have any thing on the Burls side at all?

Cheers
Gerry 

[KGarrad]

Unfortunately, James is a common name with the Vanstone family!

Reckon you need his marriage certificate to find his father's name?!

Can't find much for Frederick Burls?

There's this possible birth?
September qtr 1897
Poplar district    vol 1c, page 605

Burles, Frederick Alfred


Or a birth in Chelmsford in 1896?

[gc1]

Hi KGarrad

Thanks for the info. I guess it's got to that staged when, as you say, I'm going to have to get certificates to move on.

Apart from James's parents is all the other information I posted correct as far as you know?

As for Burls I see you're having the same problems as I am,not an easy family to follow

Thanks again fro all your help and if you do come across any thing new please let me know

Kind Regards
Gerry 

[KGarrad]

The rest of your info is correct!

I once did some analysis and found the following from 1841:
Mary occurs 76 times
John 57 times
William 43 times
Elizabeth 41 times
Ann 39 times.
James 35 times
Jane 31 times

That's from a total of 611 Vanstone, Vanston individuals.
Just 7 forenames account for over half of all Vanstones!

[softly softly]

Hi, Frederick Alfred Burls death aged 92 in 1989 records a birth date of 11.4.1896. Freebmb has a birth of JUNE 1896 Chelmsford 4a 524-Frederick Alfred Burls.
1901 census ref rg13 511 29 45
Frederick Burls-head 36 born think it says Stanstead-lab in goods yard
Phoebe Burls            35 Chelmsford
John Burls                8      "    "
Alfred Burls                6      "    "
Phoebe                    2   Peckham.

1891 census rg12 1386 80 1
Frederick Burls 26   Painter   Ensenham?
Phoebe   Burls  26   Chelmsford
Nellie               2        "
Albert              3        "
( all in the household of the FAIERS Family)
Frederick H Burls (21)-Painter married Phoebe Faiers (23) mar q 1887 Billericay 4a 267 ( 5.2.1887 Father John Burls-corn merchant and John Faiers- Hair Dresser
Frederick HILLARY Burls died aged 64 Dec 1930 Portsmouth
Phoebe Burls died aged 77 June 1941 Portsmouth
Frederick H Burls birth ref Sept q 1866 Bishops Stortford 3a 210

If your earlier posting is correct and Frederick aka Alfred went to Australia when he was 13 then family will not appear on 1911 census as they would have travelled c 1908-10. There is a tree on An* that Having done the above confirms my findings. It does however record that Frederick married a Mary Donavan in 1911. Think this is wrong as he would have only been 15 and probably in Australia at the time.

John

[gc1]

Hi John

Thanks for your reply I will read it properly later

Just one thing Frederick, known as Alf, moved to Gibralter not Australia  when he was 13 so not sure if we're following the right person.

Will check the other details and if I may I'll get back to you

Kind Regards
Gerry

[softly softly]

Hi, meant Gibraltar not Australia, and 99% it's the right Frederick.

John

[gc1]

Hi John

Thanks for clearing that up for me and for the information

Cheers
Gerry