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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #9 on: Monday 09 June 14 08:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Fred

There is a will  and a letter of declinature on Scotlands People for a Robert Hall, Builder, residing at Galashiels, both dated 19 march 1865. Jedburgh Sheriff court. These would be 10 credits each.
Not found a death cert for him so far. Maybe he died away from  Selkirk/Roxburgh.

Not found him so far in 1861 in the area.


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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #10 on: Monday 09 June 14 08:19 BST (UK) »
Found him  :)

1861
43 Island St, Galashiels
Robert Hall, 59, master builder employing 96 men an 15 Apprentices, b. Lilliesleaf, Rox
Flora, 53,
Thomas L, s, 22
J? N?,  20
Agnes F, 12
Jemmima, 10
Betsey Lees, 22
Betsy Brockie, 19
It might be that this was a second marriage, given the age gap of children.

Will investigate further.

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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #11 on: Monday 09 June 14 08:28 BST (UK) »
1851
Island St, Galashiels
Robert Hall, 48, Builder employing 28 masons 14 carpenters and 15 labourers, b. Lilliesleaf, Rox
Flora, 43,
Thomas S, 12
Joana,  10
Robert, 6
Adam, 4
Agnes F, 2
Margaret Mather, 18
George Buchan, 17

In 1841
Island or Halls Place, Galashiels
Robert Hall, 35, builder
Flora, 30
Thomas, 2
Joanna, 6 mths

All b. county

I noticed that a Thomas Hall was a witness at George's marriage.


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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 June 14 08:33 BST (UK) »
Baptism, Melrose, 8 March 1839
Thomas Hall, s/o Robert Hall and Florence Sanderson

I'm wondering about the Margaret, mother of George.  George would have been born about 10 years before Thomas and does not appear on the 1841 with the family, when he would have been 12.


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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 June 14 08:46 BST (UK) »
Marriage, Melrose 9 June 1836
Robert Hall of Melrose and Flora Sanderson of Galashiels. No mention of Robert being a widower.

I;ve not found a  previous marriage of a Robert Hall to a Margaret.

George might have been baptised under his mother's MN - attached:

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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 June 14 08:34 BST (UK) »
Hello Gadget,

Thank you very much for taking the time to look further.

I have 18 credits left so I'll wait a bit longer before deciding how to use them.

It does seem Robert married twice. The obituary says George was the eldest son.  Pity George can't be found in earlier years.

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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 June 14 08:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Fred

have you considered that George might have been the illegitimate son of Robert  :-\  He would   still probably have been the elderst son.

If we could find a death cert, it might give some further clues.



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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 June 14 09:03 BST (UK) »
Found the death - 17 November 1863 at Island Street, Ladhope. Aged 61.

His father was Thomas and mother was Agnes Stirling.

No mention of a wife other than Flora Sanderson. Informant was his son Thomas. 

(Eldest son named after father  :-\ )

This leads me to suspect that George was possibly illegitimate.  If there is no mention of George in the Will or in the letter of declinature, this might be more evidence.


I think you might have to top up your credits.



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Re: 1851 census lookup - WATSON family in Rosemarkie
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 12 June 14 08:17 BST (UK) »
Hello Gadget,

Thank you very much.

I'll see what direction the A$ is heading.  :)  The Australian banks add 3% for currency conversion that is done automatically by a computer program. Billion dollar profits from all the fees and charges.

Further evidence is that there was no mother named on George's death reg. If George was illegitimate could there be a record under his mother's name? Could he be using that name in 1841 and 1851 census? Would he need to be baptised eventually to use the name HALL when he married?

I'm not as familiar with the situation in Scotland as I am with that in England. I have a branch of my tree in Gloucestershire 1838-1850 where I have an illegitimate son of parents who were both illegitimate. One was baptised at age 9 and another at 15. That took a lot of sorting out but I did find the right birth and marriage reg and I ordered copies from GRO.

Fred