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Can anyone trace any record of this couple? They had a daughter Esther in 1784 in the East End of London - also possibly had another daughter Maria who was christened in 1785 at St George in the East, Stepney.
Any help at all would be really appreciated! (could also be listed as Mountique and Miriam).
Caroline ??? ???
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1/ ESTHER BLACKWELL C.27TH JUNE 1784...parents MONTAGN & MERRIAM...ST MICHAEL, CROOKED LANE, LONDON (a lady by the name of Esther Blackwell married William Dalby on the 11th Jan 1808...Chesterfield)
2/ MARIA BLACKWELL B. 19TH JAN 1785...parents MOUNTIQUE & MIRIAM...ST GEO IN THE EAST
then MOUNTAGUE & MIRIAM moved back/or to CHESTERFIELD, DERBY
3/ MONTAGUE HART BLACKWELL C.29TH JUL 1794...parents MOUNTUE & MIRIAM....CHESTERFIELD, DERBY
Miriam died 1794-1797 and after the mourning period Mountague Blackwell married Elizabeth Watts on the 11th May 1797...Chesterfield, Derby
4/ MOUNTAGUE WATTS BLACKWELL C. 26TH SEPT 1798...parents MOUNTAGUE & ELIZABETH.... CHESTERFIELD, DERBY
5/ ANN ELIZABETH BLACKWELL C. 25TH APRIL 1800....parents MOUNTAGUE & ELIZABETH.... CHESTERFIELD, DERBY
6/ MARY BLACKWELL C. 19TH AUG 1801....parents MOUNTAGUE & ELIZABETH....CHESTERFIELD, DERBY
7/ WILLIAM BLACKWELL B. 10TH MAY 1806....C.22ND AUG 1806....parents MOUNTAGUE & ELIZABETH....CHESTERFIELD, DERBY
Bryant
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Hi,
It's a unusual name so I wonder if this is he :-\
The Commissioned Sea Officers Of The Royal Navy 1660-1815 Volume 1
BLACKWELL Montagu
L 10 Jan 1779
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(This database is a listing of the officers who served in the Royal Navy between 1660 and 1815. Beside the name of each officer is his rank and the year in which he served in that rank. )
Regards
Daisy
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Hello again,
I've just found this,
English Origins of American Colonists
Chapter: New York Gleanings in England
Page: 144 & 145
Anthony ELSWORTH, late of New York, now residing in the parish of Abchurch, London. Will 30 March, 1784; proved 10 April, 1784. To my friend Jacob HART, formerly of New York, but now of St Michael, Crooked Lane, London, £100, if he die first, then to his wife Esther HART, if she be dead to Moses HART their son. To Hettie BLACKWELL, daughter of Montague and Miriam BLACKWELL and Grand-daughter of said Jacob HART, £50. To my nephew Francis ELSWORTH, son of my brother Joseph ELSWORTH of New York City, £50. After the decease of my wife Elizabeth ELSWORTH, my estate to be divided between Sarah PENNY, daughter of Archibald and Catherine PENNY, and to Sarah and Jacob ELSWORTH, son and daughter of Francis ELSWORTH to the three daughters of Joseph ELSWORTH. Executors: Montague BLACKWELL and Thomas HAYWARD of London.
Witnesses: James NIVEN, Abm. HART. Codicil dated March 30, 1784. My estate to be put under control of the Lord High Chancellor of England for him to administer except the £100 to my friend Jacob HART.
So if Hettie is granddaughter to Jacob HART then it looks like Montague BLACKWELL married Miriam HART.
There is also this for will Montague, downloadable for £3.50,
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=221278&queryType=1&resultcount=1
Daisy
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It is always amazing to receive a reply to a post that is over 2 years old- but even more amazing to read what you have uncovered! I am astounded - and delighted! Thank you so very much for extending this on my behalf! I will now have a good read of all the facts and see how it is all going pull together! I already had all the info posted but the 2 posts regarding the royal navy and the Will are new to me - how fascinating!
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!!
Caroline
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It appears that Esther Dalby (nee Blackwell) died aged 86 within the Derby R.D.........MAR QTR...1869
so she should be in the census 1841-1861
Bryant
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Bearing in mind the other posts re the Elsworth Will - do you think that Hettie Blackwell, grandaughter of Jacob Hart - could possibly be Esther Blackwell born 1786/84(wife of William dalby)?
Possible?
Caroline
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Hettie as far as i'm aware is short for Henrietta
I can't find Esther in 1841! .......as yet
our Esther must have another name and she uses it! whatever it is?
its not Hettie :) ..........she dies at the age of 86 in 1869 so she's there somewhere in all three census (I can't see the 1851, not available to me)
Bryant
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This one could prove quite a struggle - all offers of help gratefully accepted!!
Caroline
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I first thought of Hettie as a diminutive of Henrietta but looking at these it can also be of Esther/Hester,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_(disambiguation)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hetty
Although Esther was christened in London, the 1851 and the 1861 census show a possible Ester/Esther born New York living in Derbyshire,
1851 HO107/2143 f.375 p.6 Derby St Peter, Derbyshire
22 Leonard St
Ester DALBY Head widow 68 Independent America New York
Eliza DALBY Sister-in-law U 71 " " Nottinghamshire Blidworth?
William " " Nephew 9* Leicester Enderby
*smudged/faded writing in the adjacent female age column looking at the 1861 census below I would like to say it looks like Mths/Mts etc but I can't be sure :P
1861 RG9/2501 f.73 p.32 St Peter, Derby
22 Leonard St
Esther DALBY Head W 78 Manager House Property New York North America
Elizabeth " " sister-in-law Un 82 " " Bradmore Notts
William " " Nephew 10 Scholar Enderby Leicester
So did Montague and Miriam marry in New York and bring Hettie/Esther back with them?
Daisy
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Welldone Daisy
Looks good to me..........and we now know where the Dalby's (at least one of them) came from which may help with the 1841?
Knowing what we now know............it does appear that Montague & Miriam Blackwell appear to be Americans but then again if he was an officer in the R.N he would have been British but Miriam on the other hand? or perhaps he was the culprit who started the Boston tea party (Dec 16th 1773) and then decided not to go home immediately and stayed on and married Miriam before returning :o ;D .........in other words...we haven't a clue!
Now..........Montague's are generally thin on the ground so this one is surely worth investigation especially with a surname of HART and born America!
MONTAGUE HART married LYDIA MARIA COLE....27th Aug 1836....London
1841
HERCULES BLDGS, LAMBETH, SURREY
MONTAGUE HART 44 CL FOREIGN
LYDIA " 25 YES
HENRY HALES 6 YES
SARAH GORDON 24 F.S NO
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1851 ANYONE.......PLEASE
1861
41 ROSEVILLE STREET, ST HELIER, JERSEY
MONTAGUE HART HEAD 67 GENTLEMAN AMERICA
LYDIA M " WIFE 47 ENGLAND
+ 2 SERVANTS BORN JERSEY
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Bryant
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How wonderful you lot are!!! I go to work and come home to find you have all had much more fun! And unearthed lods of info for me to investigate!!
Thank you all so very much - this has certainly put a very different slant on things!! Thank you!
Caroline
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To find out if Montague Hart is indeed Montague Hart Blackwell? as seen christianed in Chesterfield 1794 you will need the information from the Parish record of the marriage........hopefully the witness names (and anything else that may be written) of what appears to be a well to do family ;D could assist the cause?
The date of the marriage licence allegation to Lydia Maria Cole being 27th August 1836
The marriage took place at St George Hanover Square, Westminster, London in 1836 (Boyds marriage index....does it say when?) but when? ..........
http://www.stgeorgeshanoversquare.org/Wedding.htm
http://hibiscus-sinensis.com/regency/wedding.htm
fortunately...........Origins Network have the marriage licence allegation record of the intended marriage (you have to pay £10 for the hard copy by the look of it) so you don't have to go anywhere to obtain it, just wait for it to come to you................
unfortunately.......I don't know what information lies within as it wouldn't have witness names as the marriage licence allegation is an intention and application to marry.....not the marriage itself
Bryant
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And I wonder if this man has a part to play in all of this?
MONTAGUE BLACKWELL married ANN SIMMONS........25th June 1772.......Stoke Damerel, Devon
* an individual submitted the marriage of Montague Hart to Lydia Cole on the LDS site.......so
if you can track them down!
Bryant
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Thank you Bryant - you have been busy! Lots for me to think about!
I too had looked from time to time at the wedding of Montague Blackwell in Stoke Damerel but it seemed so off the beat! However, I will post an enquiry on the Devon board and see what transpires. It is a story that justifies all angles of research! Huge thanks for all your efforts!
Caroline :) :)