Whiteman's of Abbot Rd, Poplar, London 1919

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Looks like George Edwards may have been Sarah Whiteman's brother or another relative.

Walton on the Hill St Peter
12 April 1879
William Whiteman, 21 years, batchelor, coppersmith, of 23 Major Street, son of George, fireman
Sarah Ann Edwards, 21 years, spinster, of 23 Major Street, dau of George, shipwright
Married by Banns, both signed, witnesses were Joseph Grisdale, Sarah Grisdale.

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1871 Census
75 Ellison St Cellar??, Everton
George Whitman, Head, 41 years, Fireman (steam ship), born Spitalfields, London
Ann Whitman, wife, 38 years, born Runcorn, Cheshire
William Whitman, son, 13 years, born Liverpool
George R Whitman, son, 11 years, born Liverpool
Joseph Whitman, son, 7 years, born Liverpool
Eliza Whitman, dau, 4 years, born Liverpool
Richard Whitman, son, 9 mths, born Liverpool
Thomas Draper, Boarder, single, 40 years, labourer in saw mill, born Liverpool

Liverpool St Nicholas
24 Feb 1858
William Whiteman - George & Anne, of Kirkdale, mariner

If you don't already have access, definitely worth a look at ancestry because they have a lot of the Liverpool records and London records too.

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You'd need to get William Whiteman's birth certificate to confirm his mother's maiden name for the marriage:

William Whiteman
March qtr 1858
Liverpool Registration District
8b 24

This could well be his parent's marriage:

George Whiteman
Ann Pritchard
Sept qtr 1856
Liverpool Registration District
8b 114

It's not available unfortunately on ancestry.

I also can't seen an obvious Ann Pritchard born in Runcorn on the 1851 Census, so you would need William's birth certificate to confirm Ann's maiden name.

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Subject to confirming George's father's name from his marriage certificate, this could well be his baptism:

Christ Church Spitalfields
27 Feb 1831
George Whiteman - George and Jane, of Pelham Street, labourer

There is also a George Whiteman baptised at Bow in 1829 to a Thomas and Frances, which obviously doesn't tie in with his place of birth on the Census but the marriage certificate would confirm definitely who his father was.

There are two other baptisms to George and Jane in Spitalfields, William in 1833 and Joseph in 1838.

The family appear to have moved to Berkshire by 1841:

Uffington
George Whiteman, 35 years, born Berkshire
Jane Whiteman, 40 years, born out of county
George Whiteman, 10 years, born out of county
William Whiteman, 8 years, born out of county
Joseph Whiteman, 2 years, born out of county
Jane Whiteman, 6 mths, born Berkshire

This ties in with the 1851 Census:

Compton Beauchamp
George Whiteman, Head, 48 years, Farm Labourer, born Knighton, Berkshire
Jane Whiteman, wife, 51 years, born Send, Surrey
William Whiteman, son, 18 years, farm labourer, born Spitalfields
Jane Whiteman, dau, 10 years, born Woolstone, Berkshire
Sarah Whiteman, dau, 5 years, born Knighton, Berkshire

I suspect if this is George's family, he was probably at sea as he's listed as a mariner on William's baptism from 1858.  There's no sign of George and Jane's marriage in either Middlesex or Surrey, so as Send isn't that far from the Berkshire border, it may have been there.  You'd need a copy of one of their children's birth certificates from after 1837 to confirm her maiden name.  The Send parish registers are available to view on ancestry.

It's worth bearing in mind that there is another George and Jane Whiteman in London in the St Pancras area, but they remain in London so different couple.

Hope this helps.

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Liverpool St Peter
15 Nov 1857 Sarah Ann Edwards - George and Sarah Ann, shipwright
Can't read the place of residence as there is bleed through from the next page.

1871 Census
59 Hankin? Street, Liverpool
George Edwards, Head, 44 years, ship carpenter, born Bristol
Sarah Ann Edwards, wife, 45 years, born Bristol
Sarah Ann Edwards, dau, 13 years, born Liverpool
William H Edwards, son, 7 years, born Liverpool
George T Edwards, son, 8 years, born Liverpool

Liverpool St Peter
23 Jun 1862 (born 5 Jun)
George Thomas Edwards - George and Sarah Ann, of Toxteth Park, shipwright
1 Oct 1865 (born 25 Jan)
William Henry Edwards - George and Sarah Ann, of Toxteth Park, shipwright

Some ancestry trees suggest he was George Trip(p) Edwards and there is a death of a George Trip Edwards in 1894 in Poplar Registration District, which appears to tie in with Sarah Ann's brother George being in the Poplar area in 1891 with their parents, and then living with William and Sarah Ann.  However, you'd need to get a copy of one of their children's birth certificates to confirm for definite.

[Sylvia Paterson]

Smudwhisk, thank you for your contribution.  Why, oh why did I not do this earlier.  Dad died aged 94 on Christmas Day but his memory was as clear as a bell.   Do your family remember a Mr Kieller who owned a shop in Abbot Road.     I think it might have been a dairy.   They were a German family who may have been sent to some sort of camp.   Dad said he was a lovely man.

[Ruskie]

Excellent work Smudwhisk! 

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Glad to be of help.

Unfortunately, all my relatives who lived there have passed away, most many years ago, the last a few weeks before this last Christmas.  I don't recall anyone mentioning a Mr Kieller but if it was after WW2, they'd had to move by then due to the house being destroyed.

[Sylvia Paterson]

Just about the same time as my father.  I was born two years after the war in Poplar.   Left at 6 weeks old.  Was taken back once as a very young child and I remember the bombed space across the road and being utterly puzzled by the empty space.  Dad also spoke of a blacksmith who lived nearby. He and his wife had no children but he used to make iron hoops for the kids nearby.   Hope your relations were lucky enough to get one.