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Sailor miles from the sea
« on: Tuesday 03 June 14 12:49 BST (UK) »
In a Budapest military cemetery lies a solitary English sailor, Henry James Cullimore. Official Number: J28699. Born Thornbury, Gloucestershire 29 July 1897.  Henry is totally surrounded by airmen (Brits, Poles, Canadians, Ozzies and Kiwis) who were buried a quarter of a century later, so his particular burial in that location a considerable distance from any sea is rather unique. 

So far I have discovered that Henry was a sailor abord His Majesty's Motor Launch 434 and died after a fire on board.  His death was about 24th November 1919 was therefore well after the war was over, so I am trying to find out more about that event and why his ship was mored so far up the Danube in the first place.  Can anyone enlighten me?

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Re: Sailor miles from the sea
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 June 14 13:23 BST (UK) »
In march 1919 a revolution took place in Hungary, which had declared itself independent after ww1 and the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian empire.
it seems to have been a year of chaos, maybe as usual we sent a naval boat to protect british interests.

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 June 14 06:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks Mazi, I am with you on this and do know we sent several motor Launches (HMMLs) and several were involved in some sort of action.  However, things had settled down politically by the summer of 1919 year and this happened after that.  I therefore hoped there may have been a piece in a local paper giving more info or there may be a family descendent reading this that had some unpublished handed down knowledge. 
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Re: Sailor miles from the sea
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 November 14 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello Roy G and everyone,
I came upon this post just by chance, looking through Gloucestershire names. The story of Henry J Cullimore has had a recent update which might interest you. I grew up in Cromhall, where Henry came from, and I have been trying to add some details, for the anniversary of the start of World War One, of the men whose names are on the village war memorial. I did some work a long time ago on my great uncle, Wallace Pratt, who died in the battle of the Somme. This gave me some experience. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website gave Henry's burial place as Budapest which made me wonder what he was doing there. I found out on the internet about the Royal Naval patrol boats on the Danube which appear to be there to enable essential supplies to get through to Germany. The Austrians had been commandeering them and conditions in Germany were desperate after the war. Henry appears to have been drowned as a result of a fire on board his patrol boat. Their petrol engines were prone to catch fire apparently.
I found a posting about this grave on another forum, YACF, a cycling forum. One of the contributors, Andy, had lived in Budapest and knew the grave. I told him what I knew and he offered to arrange to lay a wreath on the grave at the commemoration ceremony this year. Members of the forum paid for a wreath, arranged for it to be posted to Budapest and a friend of Andy, Nik took pictures of the wreath on the grave and of the ceremony for us. I took pictures of our ceremony in Cromhall and Henry's great niece, Helen, by our war memorial after the service. Her father, Henry's nephew, was there too and his wife and the family were very moved by this generous and open-hearted gesture. We will be documenting all of this for the record, probably the village website, there are many interesting and inspiring stories about the men of the village in this war . Best wishes, David Wicks 

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Re: Sailor miles from the sea
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 November 14 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Just in case anyone missed it I see the CWGC site shows three other Motor Launch chaps were buried in Hungary in 1919.

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 December 14 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cromolian
Just thought you'd like a brief follow up on the cemetery and poppy wreath. 

Unfortunately the supervisor of the Budapest cemetery had instructions to remove poppies from the graves after 2 weeks, but I have been told by subsequent visitors that Henry Cullimore's more personalised wreath from yourselves remained in situ considerably longer.  The subsequent visitors by the way are mostly Hungarians, who are being continually directed to the cemetery by my wife who is a Hungarian Geocacher.  Having placed one of her caches just outside the cemetery gates, she gets regular feedback from those visitors to the site who are highly impressed.  Several of the more recent visitors also sent back pictures of your wreath. 

http://www.geocaching.hu/images.geo?id=1476332&group=1363789&table=log_images

http://www.geocaching.hu/caches.geo?id=4639   Pilis50
http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5DGKR_the-budapest-british-military-cemetery?guid=2f9c1699-d66d-43a2-b317-031ecc1cfbb0

I also need to suggest some minor alterations to the Cullimore story that you have briefly outlined in your last message for it has a few flaws.
Records of Henry's death vary.  Some say he died from burns after a galley fire, others that he drowned.   I surmise that his clothing caught fire and he stumbled over the side in an effort to extinguish the flames, but never survived. 

Nor was his place of death Budapest, for I believe he was originally buried in the town of Rácalmás near to where he died in the Danube.  His remains were exhumed from there around 1958 and transferred to be amongst more recent Commonwealth losses (pilots and aircrew) in the CWGC site just outside Budapest.

Lastly, what were the British navy doing on the Danube in 1919?
The motor launches supported Insect class (shallow draft) warships in the Danube and had numerous duties.  Officially, they were there to protect British interests, ensure the terms of the 1918 armistice were being adhered to and that barges containing basic relief supplies got through.  Their unforeseen additional duties were to inhibit post war piracy of vessels and cargoes by black marketeers, and control the activities of the Communists (Bela Kun) who wished to usurp the new Hungarian leadership. Eventually, one of the bigger ships escorted King Charles and Queen Zita (the last royal couple of Hungary) taking them into exile in Madeira.

An interesting Briton also there in 1919 was David Callender Campbell.  David (married to Hungarian Ragnhild Gregersen and later Sir David) became the Governor of Malta during 1945.

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Re: Sailor miles from the sea
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 20 December 14 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Roy. I will pass that information on to the family and add it to the record for the war memorial names in Cromhall. A happy Christmas to you and your wife, and all our readers ! :)

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 20 December 14 16:19 GMT (UK) »
Glad to have assisted with the additional link showing a Geocacher's photo of your wreath still on the grave.

Out here, Hungarians are most intrigued about the British Poppy ceremony, so much so, I must have tried to explain the significance a hundred or so times, picking out stars they knew wearing poppies in their buttonholes (eg Beckham).  This year however, my story carried far more weight, for virtually all Hungarians had also seen the reports and pictures of the magnificent poppy tribute being made at the Tower of London.

Seasons greetings to you and yours too. 
Regards Roy G
  in a now rather wintery Budapest