Claudine Emilie Helen Ingram Davie-Ap-Llewellyn- Look up

[avm228]

I have found the burial of John Davies, father of John A S Davies. Incidentally I can see no record in which John senior has a middle name or initial (ref the family tree).

The short chronology of their little family seems to be this.

11 Mar 1840: Marriage of John Davies to Sarah Anne Elizabeth Harrison, Byculla, Bombay.
15 Oct 1841: Birth of son Charles James Harrison Davies.
04 Dec 1841: Baptism of Charles James Harrison Davies, Ahmedabad, Bombay.
07 Sep 1842: Death of Charles Davies aged 10 mo 23 days, son of Capt Davies, at Cambay, Gujerat.
08 Sep 1842: Burial of baby Charles Davies.
12 Mar 1843: Birth of son John Augustus Seymour Davies.
25 May 1843: Baptism of John Augustus Seymour Davies, Ahmedabad, Bombay.
24 Nov 1843: Burial of John Davies, Capt 11th Regt N.I. Bombay Establishment, at Bhooj, Bombay.

[NewHorizons]

Thanks avm for the additional information! For some reason I thought it was John Alexander Davies. Not sure where I read it anymore...Regarding the Seymour link I see a naming pattern in Charles James Harrison Davies and John Augustus Seymour Davies. It's obvious that Harrison is not trivial but in honor of Sarah Anne.  This may lead us to think that Seymour is not trivial either. Is this then the root of the later mutations of Morse, St. Maur , etc...?

[avm228]

Yes, that is an interesting observation about Seymour as one of his original given names and therefore pointing perhaps to significance in his family history.

By the time of his promotions to Lieutenant (1864) and Captain (1876) and then the matrimonial proceedings (1877) he was already calling himself John Augustus Seymour Morse Davies, so Morse seems to have been an additional name rather than a substitution for Seymour, for what that is worth.

St Maur may well be a play on Seymour and it may be that John wanted people to think he was connected to the aristocratic family (the Dukes of Somerset) who switched between Seymour and St Maur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Seymour,_12th_Duke_of_Somerset.  Indeed without further research into his ancestry we cannot rule out the possibility that there was some sort of connection with that family.

It may be that Semar (the assumed surname of Mary Colston/Ezcurra's sister Sarah and her children) is also a corruption of Seymour.  Her children's birth certificates would be very interesting with regard to the paternity of the children.

[NewHorizons]

I still haven't decided whether or not to order them. I'm afraid they might contain another invention along the lines of "the artist", "Auguste Ezcurra".

I suspect that someone like  "Jean Sémar" will show up as father...would that be useful?

 

[avm228]

You're right that, with the family's propensity for invention and reinvention, it is entirely possible that anything found will raise more questions than answers.  I suppose I am just curious as to whether John fathered Sarah's children as well as Mary's!

On another tack I went on a hunt for the short-lived child of John & Amy referred to in their 1877 matrimonial proceedings.  The reports show that they spent their "married" life at Upton Park, Slough* (Eton reg district at that time) incidentally one of the earliest planned estates according to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton,_Slough

... & more here including pics:

http://static.slough.gov.uk/downloads/History_leaflet_version_6f_16.5.12_web_version.pdf

The only Davies child who was both born & died in Eton district 1870-77 was this one:

Evelyn Augusta G M Davies

Birth reg Sep qtr 1871 Eton 3a 447
Death reg Dec qtr 1871 Eton 3a 297, aged 0

* Here they are at Upton Park in April 1871, with his mother:

1871 census: RG10/1401/94/66
5 Victoria Terrace, Upton Park, Upton cum Chalvey, Slough

Sarah A E Davies Head W 52 Officer’s widow Kent, nr Rochester
John A S M do Son Mar 28 Lieutenant Royal Artillery East Indies
Amy A J do Niece and daur-in-law Mar 17 Officer’s wife East Indies
Egerton C B Lawford Nephew Unm 16 Student East Indies
Flora M C Lawford Niece Unm 14 Scholar East Indies
...plus a governess and two teenaged female servants.

[avm228]

Bucks Herald, 28 Oct 1871

Deaths

DAVIES: On the 19th inst., at Upton Park, Slough, Evelyn Augusta Georgiana Morse, infant daughter of Lieutenant Augustus Seymour Morse Davies, Royal Artillery, aged 7 weeks.

[NewHorizons]

Thanks avm228 for the additional intel on the John-Amy relationship. I've added a few members to the tree!

BTW, If I were to ask for the birth certificate of one of the Semar children , which one would you choose?  Jean Marie Paul b. 1884 in Rugby or Marie Sara b. 1882 in Exeter?

[avm228]

I don't think it matters which child you pick.  I would be curious about all those middle names of Marie's though.

[NewHorizons]

I've requested Marie Semar's birth certificate. It's true that the names of Sarah's children are very similar to those of Mary's. It could be that Marie Semar and Maria E S E C A I R S M Ezcurra are the same person...