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Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« on: Wednesday 10 September 14 04:37 BST (UK) »
My great great great grandparents were Lewis Wilcher and Marion Willson, born about 1811. They were married 27 August 1836 at St Botolph's Bishopsgate in London. they had 5 children between 1837 and 1848, and Marian died 2 August 1849. In the 1851 census, Lewis was living in Crucifix lane  with 3 of his children and his mother-in-law, Mary Ann Smith, 59 years old, born in Bath, Somerset. For a while i didn't know if her surname was Smith or maybe Sevitt, until I found Lewis other 2 children in the 1851 census, living with Uncle Theophilus Smith, 39 years of age, born in Wickenham, Middlesex. He was a schoolmaster.  In the 1861 census, Mary Ann Smith, 70 yo in 1861, the widow of a schoolmaster, born in Bath Somerset, and Theophilus Smith is her son, and she is living with him, his wife and their 6 children at St John's Academy, Hampton Wick, Middlesex. Marion was a spinster and her name was Willson, Her mother was Smith and i can find no connection between smith and Willson. What am I missing?
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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 09:57 BST (UK) »
According to Theo's marriage to Matilda - his father was a Thomas Smith , also a schoolmaster.

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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 10:39 BST (UK) »
Presumably Mary Ann married firstly a Mr Willson and the couple had Marion. Mr Willson then died and Mary Ann remarried a Mr Smith and they had Theophilius

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Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
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Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 11:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Steve
Thought of that but can't prove it and the dates are very close. Theophilus according to the 1851 census was 39, so born @1812, Marian according to the headstone at the cemetery was 38 in 1849 so born @ 1811. Not impossible - my Dad and his brother were only 11 months apart, but they had the same mother and father. If there was a 2nd marriage, I haven't found it.
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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 12:28 BST (UK) »
Possible that Marian was illigitimate..

Can't find a marriage for a Thomas Smith to Mary Ann Wilson though..

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 13:31 BST (UK) »
It's true the dates look quite close, but they could be nearly 3 years apart, depending on the dates of birth/death.
Jackie, where are you looking? Do we know where they married?

Steve
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Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 September 14 06:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Jacqueline and Steve, Thanks for taking an interest! In the 1841 Census for Theophilus Smith he is living at Hampton in Middlesex with:
Mary Smith aged 50
Theophilus aged 29.
Sarah Smith aged 17
Caroline Smith aged 11
Theodore Smith aged 8.
From my Library i could not see the original record, only the ancestry version
The parents of Theodore and Sarah are both Thomas Smith and Mary Ann, and i also found a Thomas Smith who married a Mary Ann Stiles 29 October 1812. No Willson?
I also found a Maryanne Smith who married a Richard Beane Willson 9 April 1811, Yarmouth Norfolk. Still no Willson.
I'm still at a loss?
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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 11 September 14 09:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Jason,

The marriage(s) both took place before civil registration was introduced in 1837. The only records that would record them are parish registers, of which there are thousands. Are you looking at Family Search? That only includes a part of the vast range of parish records. Obviously the best place to start looking for a ?/Willson marriage would be Bath or Middlesex, but it could be anywhere

Steve
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: Willson or Smith, from Bath, Somerset
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 11 September 14 12:59 BST (UK) »
I have been unable to see the original 1841 Census info for Theophilus Smith. Is there anyone who can view it and possibly send me a copy - it just may tell me where to go looking for more information
Carpenter - Devon and Australia
Flett - Orkneys
Morrell - Antrim, France, Switzerland and Ballarat
Wilcher - Bermondsey and Birmingham
Roberts - Liverpool
Price - Monmouthshire
Smith - Orkneys
Barnsley - Cumberland
Discombe - Devon
Brewer - Devon
Torrington - Devon