Coleburn - Cole - Liverpool

[heywood]

1891,

Mary Murry ,head, transcribed as Mary Mary,aged 58 born Liverpool,
M Colbourn aged 23 ,son in law born Liverpool,labourer
C Colbourne aged 18 wife born Liverpool,
M Colbourne aged 2 months born Liverpool,

RG12/2995

Looking more closely- she is called Margt Murry.
Robert H Colborne was born 1860
M Colbourn born 1868 (in 1891)
James Murray born 1869 in 1901

I wonder how Catherine is Lyon/Murray?

[heywood]

There is this:

1881 RG11; Piece: 3637; Folio: 21; Page: 40
Catherine Murray 7 yrs with parents John (born West Indies) a Seaman  and Margaret
They are living at 18 Brassey Street.

[heywood]

Any thoughts Quido? Anything familiar?

[Quido]

Can't thank you all enough for all the info.....it's very much woods and trees at the moment.....hopefully there'll be a clearing in the middle.
Warm Regards to You All

[heywood]

It looks to be very complicated!
The marriage certificate of Catherine Lyons and Robert H may shed some light on the matter.
Good luck
Heywood 

[Quido]

Research suggests  that Catherine Lyon was the stepdaughter of John Murray and the natural daughter of another West Indian sailor Charles Frederick who still lived local to the Murray family on the 1881c. This fact came to light on the discovery of Catherine's bigamous marriage to Thomas King in 1914 when she  claimed to be a widow but in fact she and Robert were separated.
This whole period of this family's life is a paper trail of false names and ages....whether from a natural distrust of form filling and authority, something else to hide, or just cussedness.
The Colebourn Murray and Lyon families are closely interwoven. Even Charles Frederick's wife Anne acted as Godmother  to one of the other children.
Though all this info is 'out there' to be found, I'm loathe to post it on Rootschat till it looks a little clearer. After all the help I've had from Rootschatters I don't want to upset anyone's apple cart.
Many Thanks for your interest.  Help and advice is always appreciated and I will respond to the general forum when I've had a "good think".

[pflanagan132]

This may not be of any help, but might be worth a look.
Have a look at the website "The Colls of Castlerea and Beyond", scroll down to section 2a, and you will find an Alfred Colebourne who married a Margaret Hiesley [Hisley, Isley, etc], Liverpool, 1858, 8 children.
 Anybody who can add or edit anything on this site, please do so.

[rutht22000]

This may not be of any help, but might be worth a look.
Have a look at the website "The Colls of Castlerea and Beyond", scroll down to section 2a, and you will find an Alfred Colebourne who married a Margaret Hiesley [Hisley, Isley, etc], Liverpool, 1858, 8 children.
 Anybody who can add or edit anything on this site, please do so.

Hi

I'm a Colebourne descendant, my great great grandfather Charles was Alfred's younger brother.  I will take a look at that site.  Thank you 

Quido's family aren't connected to mine as far as I know..but they are monstrous to find as they certainly liked different spellings 

[Quido]

Thanks to everyone for all your help.
Think that I've managed to unravel all the threads and this part of the tree is now complete.
Warm Regards to One and All