Apologies in advance for the long post, but two recent ‘finds’ have added info to the above ...
I’ve found the baptism of Margaret Thomas, on 27 Mar 1831, at the Welsh Calvinistic chapel in Trevine (daughter of William and Anne Thomas, nee Morris, abode Tredel). That was exciting and I hoped I’d find the other children too, including Ann(e) my gg grandmother. Browsing the records I came across an Ebenezer Thomas, born 20 March 1825, baptised 1 May 1825, son of William and Anne Thomas, nee Morris (I can’t read the abode unfortunately), but the bride’s previous parish appears to match the record for Margaret. But the same register, covering 1811 to 1837, doesn’t have baptism records for John or Ann(e). And I can’t find anything else on Ebenezer.
And then I found the will of Anne Owen, of Treglemesfach, written in October 1863. It’s quite hard to read but leaves everything to her daughter Margaret and grand-daughter Jane. But, if Jane dies before coming of age her share is to be divided equally between ‘my children Stephen Thomas, Margaret Thomas and John Thomas my grandson, the son of William Thomas, my son.’ Bizarrely (to me anyway) a codicil was then added, Anne changing her will in 1869 giving Jane’s share (should she die before coming of age) to ‘my son in law John Owen’ (ie Jane’s father) and declaring that ‘the above mentioned Stephen Thomas and John Thomas have no claim to any of my property (whatever) after my departure’.
So Anne doesn’t mention her sons John or Ebenezer (would that suggest that they’d died as had her daughter Ann(e)), but does mention sons Stephen and William, and grandson John – again by including grandson John is it likely that his father William had died?
So Stephen and William could be the baptisms referred to in reply 11. Perhaps David is theirs but had died too. I think I’ve enough evidence to confirm that it is all the same family, though I was unsure initially. Is the mix of religions unusual?
Timeline updated to include the possible additions to the family...
1818 (14 Jul): Llanrhian, Anne Morris married William Thomas
1819 (3 Jan): Llanrhian, baptism of Stephen, son of William & Anne Thomas of Porthiddy, William a labourer
1821 (1 April): Mathry, baptism of David, son of William & Ann Thomas, of Persche, William a labourer;
1823 (13 April): Mathry, baptism of William, son of William & Anne Thomas, of Cwmbadau(?), William a labourer;
1825 (1 May): Welsh Calvinistic chapel in Trevine, baptism of Ebenezer Thomas, son of William and Anne Thomas, nee Morris
1828: Son John born (says Mathry in 1851 census); no baptism found
1831: (27 Mar): Welsh Calvinistic chapel in Trevine, baptism of Margaret, daughter of William and Anne Thomas, nee Morris, abode Tredel, William a labourer.
1833 (9 Jan): Husband 1 William Thomas buried in Mathry (abode Tredel)
1832/3: Daughter Ann(e) born (Mathry) - my 2* great g'mother; no baptism found
1839 (12 Mar): Anne Thomas (widow) married John Owen in Llandeloy
1848 (16 Nov): Husband 2 John Owen buried in Llanhowell (abode Treglemes)
1852 (21 Aug): Daughter Ann(e) married John Owen at Haverfordwest register office
1853 (20 Aug): Grand-daughter Jane born at Treglemesh; no baptism found
1855 (1 Aug): Daughter Ann(e) died, aged 23, buried in Croesgoch (with her baby daughter Elizabeth, aged 14 days)
1873 (28 Feb): Ann died at Treglemais, buried at Croesgoch
1879 (25 Nov): Grand-daughter Jane married Henry Griffiths at Croesgoch Baptist Chapel
Two images attached as well, in the hope that someone can tell me the residence at the time of Ebenezer's baptism (is it Cwmbadau, like William?), and Anne's parish before her marriage. I've also included an extra image, showing more of the page in case other entries are helpful.
The timeline seems to fit, William is always a labourer, and abodes such as Pershe, Tredel and Treglemesh occur more than once. But the mix of religious denominations and the missing baptisms makes me wonder if this is wrong somewhere. Any comments or suggestions welcome.
Thanks for reading.
Deirdre