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Needing help to find George Mortimer
« on: Wednesday 01 January 14 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello from Australia 8),
Im trying to find my roots.
Im trying to find George Mortimer. I dont have anymore info on him.
He married Elizabeth Mead who was born 1746 Kingbury Episcopi, Somerset, England
They married 21 April 1767 Preshute Malborough England.
Both George and Elizabeth had a son named Richard.
Richard was born 1776 Bath, Somerset
Richard was a convit sent to australia 1791.
Would anyone be able to find more info on George.
Also his parents or whatever you can find on him.
Many Thanks
Julie
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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 January 14 01:07 GMT (UK) »
FreeREG has very good coverage of Bath at that time but does not show a Richard baptised there. There are some Mortimers though.


How sure are you of your facts? The George and Elizabeth married at Preshute appear to have baptised several children at Marlborough over the next few years, including a Richard in 1772. Not very likely that he would have been born in Bath, although not impossible.

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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 January 14 02:32 GMT (UK) »
Im not 100% positive on Richards birth as that was someone elses info i find on ancestry.com.au
Richards birth wasnt in australia but i have found papers that he was a convit sent to Australia in 1791. His parents George and Elizabeth I have recieved from someone else on ancesrty.com.au
So richards birth could be at a different place and date.
Sorry but would you be able to give me the link to the page you found George and Elizabeth married and baptised several children??
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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 January 14 02:58 GMT (UK) »
this is the confirmed info i have on Richard Mortimer
http://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I76842&ged=purnellmccord.ged
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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 January 14 09:02 GMT (UK) »
Have beeb doing more research. Have found Richard Mortimers Death Cert.
Its doesnt state the year he was born but it does say he was born in Bath, Somerset, England
http://o.mfcreative.com/f4/file03/objects/b/d/7/1/3bd716c0-272e-4ad3-9b99-5db885595ef0-0.pdf

I maybe have his parents incorrect. :-[
 would someone beable to help to find richard mortimers parents??
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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 January 14 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Julie

Just to say that the Parramatta one has no parents listed (Reg no 5189), which ties in with the death entry that you've linked to. There was another Richard in the death index for Richmond (Reg no 5787) . It was that one's parents who  were a George and Elizabeth.


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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 January 14 09:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi there Jewly81

I am a little confused.  Over on the Australia Board we are looking for the parents of your Henry Mortimer who was married in 1881 in Richmond New South Wales.  I have posted on that thread with info as to how to research the NSW Church Registers to obtain the first hand information that that Henry provided to the clergy when he was arranging to be married.   It definitely includes the details he provided about himself (his age, his place of birth, his occupation, his usual address) and about his parents (his father’s full names, occupation; his mother’s full names, including her maiden name).   

The main reason I am confused is that without that information that Henry himself provided in 1881, how can you possibly go back with confidence to his ancestors? 

Here is that thread, started only yesterday (New Years Day 2014, a NSW public holiday, so no opportunity for research in any of the recognised archive offices)
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=672401.0


If you are relying on the australianroyalty link it may well be your family, but it may also NOT be your family.  It is afterall, a submitted tree.

There is the 1860 death cert for a Richard MORTIMER, a Nurseryman, of George St, Parramatta.  He was 90 years of age and the informant did not know the names of either of his father or his mother.  The informant was his son in law.   That Richard Mortimer was shown on his dc as born in Bath, Somersetshire, England, and he was known to have been in NSW for 69 years.  The dc also shows that he was twice married, firstly in 1810 to Catherine, and then secondly to Mary O’Donnell.  Both these marriages were in NSW …. To Catherine at Parramatta and to Mary at Hamilton.   His son in law stated that Richard had 2 living sons and 2 living daughters alive and 2 (gender not noted) deceased.   This chap was buried 7 June, St Johns Cemetery, Parramatta.  The Rev R L King, C of E officiated.    #5189 NSW BDM.

May I gently note that the above death is NOT for the Richard Mortimer whose death was registered at Richmond NSW in 1860.  That chap’s dc is referenced #5787.  The NSW BDM online index has that chap’s parents with given names of George and Elizabeth.   

I have typed up the details of the dc for the chap who was born Bath, so that others reading this thread can appreciate the depth of details available on NSW death certs. 

May I please suggest to Jewly that she considers obtaining an official transcription of the 1860 death for Richard, for the chap whose death was registered at Richmond NSW.   It should give the details of his marriage/s, no. of living sons, no. of living daughters, no of deceased, etc etc etc.  It may give Jewly some clues as to if he had a son named HENRY.  Of course, Henry's own 1881 marriage details would likely be a more reliable source for information about Henry's parents.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0


Registry of BMD New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm

Details on ALL Certificates for New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistoryCertificates.htm
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

NSW historic marriage certificates with blanks
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

Transcription Agents
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

I am partly duplicating Gadget's post, sorry.


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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 January 14 10:10 GMT (UK) »
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I am partly duplicating Gadget's post, sorry.

Don't worry, jm. I was also a bit confused by Julie's search for this Richard. I note that there were 3 Richards who died in 1860 - the third one was Ref V18601463 157.

Gadget

added - Note on the other thread that Julie was looking for the ancestors of a Henry Mortimer who died in 1935. The death record for him has his parents as Benjamin and Elizabeth. There would appear to be a big/possibly unsubstantiated jump here.
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Re: Needing help to find George Mortimer
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 January 14 10:26 GMT (UK) »
At the following online index there’s several chaps, surnamed MORTIMER, at Richmond NSW.  The index covers NSW Governors records, via their respective Colonial Secretaries for the period 1788-1825,  The NSW SRO currently has a partnership arrangement with several commercial websites.  I understand that the Col Sec papers 1788-1825  are available via Ancestry.com.au

http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/default.htm

Here’s the link to the main NSW SRO indexes (there’s lots)
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ 


Here’s a good link to many of those online indexes
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online

There’s also Guides and finding aids …. Here’s another series of links
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids


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