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Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« on: Saturday 09 June 07 23:49 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know whereabout Hydes Cross was in Manchester?

I have an ancestor living there on the 1841 census. I've tried looking for maps online, but there doesn't seem to be anything for this period - unless you know differently of course. I can't get over to Manchester until the summer.

Sian
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Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
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Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 June 07 12:41 BST (UK) »
Hi, the following link from Manchester City council website might help:

http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/buildings/listed-buildings3.html

It says "Long Millgate, City Centre: ....

- Fragment of Hyde's Cross, south of Chetham's Hospital. Grade II, listed 3 Oct 1974"

You should be ableto find Long Millgate on modern maps of Manchester, it is the Victoria station/Corn Exchange/Urbis  area.  I've no idea what this fragment is, but I presume it survived the 1996 bomb as the website relates to year 2002.

Cheers,
Barbara
LANCS:  Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Fishwick, Berry,
CHES/DERBYS:  Vernon
YORKS/LINCS: Watson, Stamford, Bartholomew,
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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:04 BST (UK) »
And here's another reference which I found while looking round for info following Sandra's post about Chethams - this is from Chetham Library's own website:

http://www.chethams.org.uk/hist.htm

"Hyde's Cross

Hyde's Cross used to stand at the junction of Fennel Street, Hanging Ditch, Withy Grove and Todd Street until the 1840s when Corporation Street was created as a main thoroughfare into the town from the north. The cross is shown on a 1650 map of Manchester as a Latin cross on a pedestal. It was erected probably in the sixteenth century on land held by a family called Hyde. The site was adjacent to the church and probably the cross was for a time a sanctuary cross. It predated the establishment of a market for cattle, corn and potatoes created around the site in the middle of the eighteenth century, which lasted for over a hundred years. The shaft of the cross, inscribed with the letters "W.H." and "H.B.," was presented to Chetham's in 1913."

 :) Barbara
LANCS:  Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Fishwick, Berry,
CHES/DERBYS:  Vernon
YORKS/LINCS: Watson, Stamford, Bartholomew,
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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Barbara,

Lots of interesting info on the Chethams site. Thanks.

My ancestors lived at 3 Hydes Cross, so there must have been a row of houses named after the cross. From looking at the refs you sent, it looks as though there was a market place and I've also found an image on one of the Manchester sites of bear-baiting going on there (earlier century). I knew it was in Cathedral parish from the census - so I now know the vague area where they lived thank you.

Probably under the more modern buildings by now!

Thanks again

Sian

haven't found a map yet though
Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London


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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 June 07 18:47 BST (UK) »
Sian

Website to look at http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/

This map is from 1915 - that junction now has "the printworks", "new arndale centre", "Ubis centre" on each corner with the Corn exchange still in place

I cant find a street called Hydes Cross.

Regards
Ken


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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 June 07 20:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken,

Just been back and looked at the 41 census for other streets close by. It was Township of Manchester and on the 41 was in Salford hundred and in 51 Cathedral parish, sub reg district of Market St.

Roads close by on 41 were,  part of Long Millgate, Todd Street, then Hydes Cross and then something that looks like Withy Grove. So from your 1901 map it looks like it must have been somewhere in that middle block.

Thanks Ken, that's narrowed it down.

Sian

Just noticed Withy Grove on your map with Hydes cross at the end of it by Corporation Street. Perhaps Hydes Cross houses were on what became Corporation St? The plot thickens.
Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London

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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 June 07 22:19 BST (UK) »
Just Google imaged the names of the surrounding Streets in Manchester and discovered that the area was desribed by Engels in his paper on the conditions in Britain at that time - makes for grim reading. There was also a map, but it's not detailed enough - botheration!!!

Sian
Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London

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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 August 14 20:27 BST (UK) »
Sian

I know you posted your original post 7 years ago but I've since discovered that the north western end of Withy Grove, from what is now Corporation Street (formerly where Toad/Todd Street met Hanging Ditch) to Mark Lane (formerly Cock Gates), which is now a 'lane' inside the Printworks entertainment complex, used to be called Hydes Cross. I've included a screenshot of a 1850's map of the area (I've underlined it in red).

Rob.

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Re: Hydes Cross Manchester 1841
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 August 14 23:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you Rob. That seems to fill in the missing link for me. Well found. Sian  :D
Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London