John Wood Born 1840 in Sheffield - Finding his parents' records.

[Tim Brayshaw]

Maybe Mary Ann Wood would be easier to whittle down a death for. 

Which district is correct for her last known address - Sheffield or Ecclesall?

That's assuming she did pass away between 1851/1861 - could be we just haven't found her!
I spent ages looking for a death once and she hadn't died but remarried, could that be a possibility.

The last known address for her in 1851 seems to be on the census Cecil Gardens, Sharrow Lane, Ecclesall Bierlow.

So i guess if they didn't move property between 1851 and 1857 or 1859 then the following 3 hits are the ones to concentrate on from the ones i picked up from freeBMD earlier.

Sep 1857 - Wood    Mary Ann        Ecclesall Bierlow    9c   138 
Dec 1859 - Wood    Mary Ann        Ecclesall B.    9c   145
              - Wood    Mary Ann        Ecclesall B.    9c   147

Both Johns (Snr + Jnr) are down as a Busk Grinders is this census.

OR in 1858 she married a Thomas Hutton or a John Parkin, that seems to be the only marriage entry for a Mary Ann Wood remarrying in Ecclesall.

Marriages Sep 1858
Blackwell    Harriet        Ecclesall B    9c   209
Hutton    Thomas        Ecclesall B.    9c   209
Parkin    John        Ecclesall B    9c   209
Wood    Mary Ann        Ecclesall B    9c   209

[Milliepede]

Could also be the marriage for daughter Mary Ann but can't easily fit either of those couples together in census 

[Tim Brayshaw]

Could also be the marriage for daughter Mary Ann but can't easily fit either of those couples together in census 

Indeed, i did try and pick up a Mary Ann under both names.

There is this in the NBI;

First name(s)   MARY ANN
Last name   WOOD
Birth year   1808
Death year   1857
Age   49
Burial year   1857
Burial day   12
Burial month   7
Place   SHEFFIELD
Church description   ST MARY
Church denomination   ANGLICAN

But the only entry for a Mary Ann Bartlam in Sheffield around this time for a baptism is a birth in 1809 which i posted earlier in this thread. This is about as close as i can get, unless we can find any transcription to go along with this NBI entry to give us any clues of relatives or address. Short of that, possibly wasting a GRO death certificate.

Strangely however, there are 2 NBI entries for a Mary Ann Wood death in 1857, but only one on the freeBMD.

[Tim Brayshaw]

Just a thought the marriage for John Jnr might say "father deceased" and give us confirmation if not an exact date but I know that info isn't always stated even if they were deceased 

I have just had a search through my files and found that i have already ordered John Wood Jnr and Sarah Turton's marriage certificate. John Wood said he was living at Sarah Street, he was 22 years old and a Saw Back Grinder. This marriage took place on August 10th 1862, his father is not noted down as deceased and his occupation is a Saw Back Grinder also. Sarah Turton's father is not marked as deceased either, which is correct because her father passed away in 1870...would this indicate John Wood Snr would still be alive

Witnesses are George Meltham and Mary Bevin?

[Milliepede]

1808/1809 is pretty good, ages weren't as accurately recorded as they are now but I wouldn't waste a certificate on it just yet!

I sympathise with the Wood name, have a Wood ancestor myself and it's stopped me going back because there are just too many to choose from.

I wonder if that church has any gravestone photos/inscriptions online anywhere? 

[Milliepede]

his father is not noted down as deceased and his occupation is a Saw Back Grinder also. Sarah Turton's father is not marked as deceased either, which is correct because her father passed away in 1870...would this indicate John Wood Snr would still be alive

I think not.  I've seen several where the father was long gone but it wasn't noted as such.  Hit and miss really whether they asked the question or not 

[catfordcrooner]

I've looked up census records for Mary Ann Parkin/Hutton and have found no close matches in Ecclesall or Sheffield.

[dobfarm]

I have found a Mary Ann Bartlam baptised 26 Feb 1815 in St. Nicholas, Liverpool. Father John and mother Jane.
Children weren't always baptised near birth date and not necessarily where they were born

Well i found this one but discounted it because it was 3-4 years before her apparent birth date on the census.
Name:   Mary Ann Bartlem
Gender:   Female
Christening Date:   12 Oct 1810
Christening Place:   CATHEDRAL SAINT PETER,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:   02 Jun 1809
Father's Name:   John Bartlem
Mother's Name:   Mary

Wouldn't it be more likely the census age has been put younger down to the rounding down, than Mary Ann being put down older on the census and being baptised in Liverpool?

On the 1841 census she is down as 25 years old, born within county. So would you say this discounts the Liverpool one, and its more likely she actually 32 years old in 1841 as opposed to 25? I discounted this because i thought 32 would have normally been rounded down to 30 not 25, unless of course she didn't tell the truth.

Mary Ann Bartlam b 1812 on the 1851c -bapt 1810 actual born 1809


I would not put too much emphasize on the census age. My GT 4 granny was 74 in the 1851c she died age 80 in 1852 (obviously the person who registered her death guessed her age), parish register burial age 72 and her headstone read died aged 75 -the only thing that did match was her death almost near day of month date with burial register date and headstone dates 1852 & abodes

My first (Granddads mother)GT granny married 1867 aged 20 died age 60 in 1902

My dad was always thought same age as my mum on their marriage certificate till he should have retired when mum was 65 and had to admit to us all, he had another 3 years to work till he was 65 

[Tuppie]

There is a marriage at SS Peter & Paul ( Sheffield Parish Church) between June 1832 - Feb 1833 for a John WOOD and Mary Ann BARTRAM. This is from an index transcribed by Sheffield & District FHS.

Angela