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Offline Joseph L. Oliver

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Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« on: Saturday 25 February 12 06:07 GMT (UK) »
Hello US folks:

I've posted this in the England section but with no luck am posting it here.  Hopefully I have a bit of the luck that I read in the completed Oliver thread in Indiana.

Am searching for any record showing the Greenbaum family of England emigrating in 1835 to the US and settling in Cincinnati, Ohio.

The only names I have are Esther Ann Greenbaum b. Nov. 1823 and her older sister Eliza(beth?) Ann. 

Esther married to become Oliver (Nathan B., b. Ohio, d. Cincinnati?, 1868 or '69 ).  Cannot find any record of marriage.  Have exhausted Cincy's Catholic archive for Esther and Nathan, as well as Esther's last 4 kids.  It's almost certain that the Olivers were not Catholic.

 The widowed Esther went on to have at least 3 more children by unknown man/men (1869: Ella, 1873 July 26:  Albert Ellsworth, 1875 Oct.:  daughter May., 1876 Oct. 30: unk. daughter, 1877:  Alice).  She gave birth to a total of 9 children.  Esther died Ohio 1915.

I've tracked Esther in the US Census from 1880 to 1915, and in Williams Cincinnati Directory from 1869 to 1915.

Her sister Eliza married unkn. Johnson, and in 1880 was a widow.  Eliza's death was sometime after 1881..

Thanks everyone.  Any info would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Joe O.
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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 February 12 12:23 GMT (UK) »
Thread showing what has been found previously

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,580403.msg4325515.html#msg4325515

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,581381.msg4330600.html#msg4330600

Hi Joe,

Looking at the marriage for May Oliver to John B Schaaf - the parents of May are given as Father John Oliver and Mother Ester Treadway  ???

(You will need to look at the image - the transcription is giving May's occupation Candy Fracker as her father's name  ??? Candy packer is May's occupation  ???


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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 February 12 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Where did the information on Nathan come from?  I don't see him on the Cincinnati death records, although I wouldn't be surprised if they were spotty from that time frame.

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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 February 12 02:19 GMT (UK) »
This looks like a possible death certificate:
# 22495
Ohio Certificate of Death
Hamilton County, Cincinnati
4502 Liston Ave
Esther Ann Wentworth
female
white
widow
DOB:  14 Oct 1822
POB:  England
Father:  unknown Greenway
POB:  England
Mother:  Esther Swing
POB:  England
Informant:  J.B. Schaaf
                  4502 Liston Ave
DOD:  22 Apr 1915
COD:  myocarditis
Burial:  St. Mary's

You can view the image and download it at www.familysearch.org


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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 February 12 03:49 GMT (UK) »
Excellent find, Genealiza.  Seems like Esther was a woman of many maiden names.

To add even more confusion, there is a possible death for son Albert listed here - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X6TM-46Y  - with his parents' names being Everette Oliver & Esther Swing. 

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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 February 12 03:55 GMT (UK) »
There's a Homer Oliver who died in Cincinnati & was the son of Nathan Oliver & Esther Swing -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X8FZ-579

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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 February 12 04:12 GMT (UK) »
William A. Wentworth marrying Ester A. Oliver - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDJ9-X3V

There is another record indicating that Esther requested restoration of her marriage record on 27 Oct. 1896 after a courthouse fire:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XZKQ-W58

There is a Civil War pension index entry for Ester A. Wentworth, widow of William A. Wentworth, and it looks like it was filed on 18 Oct. 1896.

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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 February 12 04:16 GMT (UK) »
William's death record:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0khp/

Record of William's gravestone:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V6HC-7ZK

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Re: Greenbaums, England to Cincinnati
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 February 12 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello all:

Sorry to reply so long after your postings.  I've been out of town without internet access.

  This is all very, veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy strange and interesting.

Never saw that application for a marriage license but do have a copy of May and John's marriage record from John's church.  Maddeningly, unlike all the other marriage records, theirs does not record the names of John and May's parents.  I had been told previously by someone with a family tree on Ancestry about that marriage licensence application, but couldn't give it credit until now. 

As I said in my initial post, I have positively tracked Esther Oliver in the Williams Cincinnati Directory, and the Census.  In the WCD, from 1887 to 1915, she is consistently listed as "widow of Nathan B. Oliver", often living with her son Albert Ellsworth and other Olivers.  In the 1900 and 1910 Census, she is living in the John and May Schaff household, (Esther is shown as mother in law to John). 

My research has definetly shown a connection to Wentworth in the 1905 and 1906 WCD listing.  In 1905 the WCD lists TWO Esther Ann's listed at the same address as John and May Schaaf.  One is Esther Ann Oliver (widow Nathan B.), the other is Eshter Ann Wentworth (widow William).  In 1906, only Esther Ann Wentworth is listed at John and May's address.  THEN, no more WCD listings for Esther Ann Wentworth, and a break of four years before the WCD shows Esther Ann Oliver at the  Schaaf's address.  THen, from 1910 to 1915, it's Esther Ann Oliver ("widow Nathan B.) living at the Schaaf address.

THe most likely explanation for the two Esthers that I could imagine was that Esther Ann Wentworth could have been a daughter of Esther Ann Oliver.  But with the info you all are digging up, I am reconsiddering.

So much more to think, research and write about, but I'm going to just post this for now.

Thanks.  I think.

Joe     
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