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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 June 13 13:44 BST (UK) »
I was looking here.
It certainly looks like 13 yrs and born 1887 to me  :-\

Could Thomas have been illegitimate? Did he ever have contact with a father or siblings later?

The Catharine Hopkins born Roscommon who died in 1889 was 55 yrs.
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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #10 on: Friday 21 June 13 14:00 BST (UK) »
Do you know if he ever had a Social Security number?

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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 June 13 15:35 BST (UK) »
Hello again Patrick,

It may prove a blind alley but have you eliminated the possibility of a relationship existing between Thomas and the White family prior to the adoption. Peter White  appears to have arrived in the US in 1859 so there are possible references in subsequent census. Could Thomas mother be a sister of Peter and Michael.

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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 June 13 15:59 BST (UK) »
I had wondered that Padraig also.

Are there any further clues in the correspondence from the orphanage.
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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #13 on: Friday 21 June 13 16:57 BST (UK) »
Thomas was brought to the orphanage by his father, after his mother passed away.
This information was verified to two outside sources, namely from the orphanage.
His name is written in the official ledger as Thomas Hopkins.
My dad spoke to a nun who was present when Thomas was brought into the room by his father.
Thomas vaguely remembers visitors in the early days at the home.
 
If he were illegitimate, he would have borne his mother's name and not his father's name.
If he were an infant, he would have been in another place until he was older.

Yes, 49 is old to be having children, but it is possible. Unlikely, sure, but possible.
I think I have an aunt who gave birth at 52. Surprised everyone.
What struck me about the death certificate was, the way they spelled her name and where Cathrine's birthplace was, Co. Roscommon. Usually, they list Ireland, as birthplace.
I've also never heard of hand cancer being a cause of death.

When I ran my dna, not knowing if I would match any Hopkins, in any of the 32 counties in Ireland, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. (I closed no doors until evidence led in another direction). My closest YDNA matches are in Co Mayo and Roscommon.
I have common European markers, R1b, but don't come close to matching any European Hopkins, or anyone else by any other surname. I match 4 Hopkins in the galtech area of Ireland.

The one Hopkins match, with the greatest distance from me genetically, had done some extensive testing. I too, tested deeper and more precisely. We match. We share a common dad in the distant past, (500-5000 years ago). Yet, we are both Hopkins today !
This has people scratching their heads.

Hope this helps.
I've been researching this for more than a few days.  :)

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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 June 13 17:18 BST (UK) »
Yes, Thomas had a social security number.

In regards to a prior connection with the White family, that is what I'm wondering about.
I can't find one, yet.

For whatever reason, he declined their offer of taking their name at 21 years of age.

The archivist at the Archdiocese of Chicago suspects there may have been a connection between the families, but none can be found.

I've looked at baptismal records in Co Mayo and Roscommon as well as Chicago.
I looked to see if there were clusters of names grouped together.
The Irish tended to move and live together.

The Whites were from Co. Armagh. Thus far, my DNA matches are in Connacht.

I sure appreciate you all looking.
I've been doing this for over 40 years.
DNA is my most recent tool in solving this dilemma.

The Hopkins in Co Wicklow and surrounding area R1a and match Hopkins from Glamorgan, Wales, Glasgow, Scotland and Upper Canada.
 
I did find one Hopkins in Canada with roots from Mayo and I match him genetically.
His roots are Swineford.

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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #15 on: Friday 21 June 13 21:29 BST (UK) »
If you have the Social Security number, his original application can be ordered for a fee.  There's more information on what is on this application and how to order it here - http://genealogy.about.com/od/online_records/a/ss5_request.htm  These days, you would need to show a birth certificate to get a Social Security number, but I don't know how meticulous they were about checking back in Thomas' day.  I suppose he may have just put his adopted parents' names and his assumed birth date down, but it might be an avenue to consider checking.

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Re: Thomas Richard Hopkins b 1883
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 22 June 13 02:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Shelly.