Author Topic: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 of Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK c1827 of Cavan  (Read 14124 times)

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Hi everyone
I need help please in finding a birth/baptism for a Mary Little c1827-1837 Fermanagh  her YOB varies on cen 1861-1891 - 3 X c1835-37 and 1 X c1827

She married, or I assume she married, Patrick Fitzpatrick c1823-27 Cavan. I cannot find this marriage in Scotland's People or UK so I assume it was in Ireland nor can I find his birth/baptism.

They first appear on 1861 cen Hawick, Scotland where 1st born Margaret birth reg 15 Jan 1859 Bothwell, Lanarkshire - two further children  Anne J reg as Mary Ann 1860 Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland & Patrick 1862 Cavers, Roxburgh, Scotland all 3 give mother Mary's maiden name as Little and a further 3 born at Warrington, Lancashire, England, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas & John.

On Patrick's birth reg there is a date and place underneath his mother's details which I think is possibly the marriage:
                               1858 March, Newtonbuttal ??? Ireland - could it mean Newtownbutler ???

I believe Mary & Patrick died at Warrington 1896 & 1897 as I cannot find them on the 1901 census.

So can anyone help with birth/baptism and marriage for Mary & Patrick please.

Kind regards
bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 July 13 20:44 BST (UK) »
With the exception of a few years around 1856, Scottish birth certificates always contain the date and place where the parents married (assuming it was a legitimate birth). So the information on the certificate you have found almost certainly is the marriage details. If in any doubt I suggest you get one or more of the other births to see what they contain.

You don’t say what denomination the couple were but I suspect RC. RC marriages in Ireland weren’t included in the civil registers till 1864 (non RC were recorded from 1845 onwards).

Newtownbutler is in the parish of Galloon. A copy of the RC parish records is held in PRONI, Belfast. This is what they have:

R.C. Galloon (Drummully and Newtownbutler) (Clogher diocese)
Baptisms, 1853-9 and 1863-81; marriages, 1847-79.

Having said that you may not get much more than the couples names and their two witnesses. RC marriage records from that period don’t contain a lot of information.
Elwyn

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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 July 13 20:57 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Elwyn
As yet I don't know what religion they were.
On the other 2 Scottish birth reg's there are NO marriage details given, only mothers maiden name.

PRONI, Belfast, found the website  ;D

As for their births then it could be a needle in the haystack job, given that I only have an area and not a town, village etc., with in them  >:(

Once again thanks,
b.
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 July 13 21:26 BST (UK) »
I’ve checked the Irish civil indexes for marriages and there’s no marriage for Patrick Fitzpatrick to a Mary Little in 1858. So that suggests to me that it must have been an RC ceremony.  The Galloon parish records are available so it should be easy enough to verify. It’s just they are not on-line.

If the couple both come from that parish then it looks as though you won’t find their births. Statutory registration of births didn’t start in Ireland till 1864. The baptism records for the parish (assuming they were RC) only start in 1853. So there are no surviving birth or baptism records to search.

There’s 21 Fitzpatrick and about 8 Little households in Galloon parish in Griffiths Valuation, so that gives you some townlands to focus on.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 July 13 21:46 BST (UK) »
Hi again
Irish FH is complicated, this is my son in laws paternal line and he asked what I can find, well maybe this could be the end of the line, unless I can find more details on their marriage cert.

Thanks
b.

HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 09:11 BST (UK) »
I have sent email to PRONI to ask if they will look for the marriage.

Does anyone know anything about birth/baptism records for Cavan where Patrick states on 1871 cen was is his birthplace ???

bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 of Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK c1827 of Cavan
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 09:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks Elwyn  :)
b.
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: MARY LITTLE c1827-1837 of Fermanagh married PATRICK FITZPATRICK c1827 of Cavan
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 14:54 BST (UK) »
Come across this for Newtownbulter, at present only graveyard info but births and marriages are to follow.

http://www.discovereverafter.com/graveyards/87/st-marys-roman-catholic-church-newtownbutler-co-fermanagh
St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church Newtownbutler, Co. Fermanagh

bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.