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Line..,

Sorry for such a long winded question, just couldnt think of how to word it properly:)

I guess I ahould explain then, that wuitr simply the Landskrr line was the definitive dividing line between English speaking south pembrokeshire and welsh speaking north pembrokeshire. 
My Griffiths family lived in St.Issells,Saundersfoot from atleast 1750ish.....

I was just wondering when would they have made the transition between Welsh and English?
Would these people from benneath the lansker line have any knowledge of welsh?
Seeing as one of my ancestors married a woman from Carmarthenshire who I presume was welsh speaking?

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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:01 BST (UK) »
I'm having great difficulty understanding what you are meaning with your post.First of all I'm completely ignorant of this "Landsker" Line?

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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:04 BST (UK) »
Another point is how do you know at that time whether your relative spoke Welsh or not?

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Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:06 BST (UK) »
WRJ, I had never heard of it either, had to search it

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsker_Line
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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:07 BST (UK) »
The Landsker Line is a modern interpretation of the demarcation between Welsh-speaking parts of Wales and English-speaking.

George Owen provided a language boundary on 1603 - so it's been around for at least 400 years! ;D
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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:09 BST (UK) »
Hello Griffl,
             The best information I found on Googling landsker was an informative article on Wikipedia, which though it may not throw much light on your basic question gives a decent definition and names a few books for further study.

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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:30 BST (UK) »
As to how I knew my ancesotrs from pembs spoke english, is the 1891 census and ahead.. so i suppose i took it that english was their language before then too

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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 September 14 23:38 BST (UK) »
Though Pembrokeshire has become known as the "little bit of England beyond Wales",there may be various other reasons as to why they may not have been speaking Welsh by 1891.Something you may wish to consider and Google is the "Welsh Knot".

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: What time period did English become the language for people under the landsker..
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 06:58 BST (UK) »
There's an easier to read article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_England_beyond_Wales
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