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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 12 September 14 18:38 BST (UK) »
Oh ... OK ... I'm clearly confused over this then, as I have always thought that there was only ever the one registration for each person.
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My great nephew, lets call him James Smith-Jones (not his real name) is indexed on the register 3 times. Once as James Smith (mother's name) once as James Jones (father's name) and once as James Smith-Jones, the name he is known as. He only has one birth certificate though, the one showing the last set of names.
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« Reply #10 on: Friday 12 September 14 19:11 BST (UK) »
If the parents were not married it is registered under the father's and the mother's surnames as it is not known which surname the child will use.

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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 12 September 14 19:13 BST (UK) »
If the parents were not married it is registered under the father's and the mother's surnames as it is not known which surname the child will use.

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Ah, now THIS is the one that makes the most sense! I understand the reasoning behind this. :D

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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 September 14 19:34 BST (UK) »
Not sure about the rules in England but in Ireland the father of an illegitimate child had to be present at the registration in order to be named on the birth certificate.
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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 September 14 21:20 BST (UK) »
Not sure about the rules in England but in Ireland the father of an illegitimate child had to be present at the registration in order to be named on the birth certificate.

In England and Wales after the 1874 Registration Act.
The instructions for Registration Act of 1874 state:
"The putative father of an illegitimate child cannot be required as father to give information respecting the birth. The name, surname and occupation of the putative father of an illegitimate child must not be entered except at the joint request of the father and mother; in which case both the father and mother must sign the entry as informants" The Act came into force on 1st January 1875. Between 1837 and 1874 if the mother informed a registrar of an illegitimate child's birth and also stated a father's name, the registrar could record him as the father, although he may not have actually been the father.

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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 13 September 14 12:48 BST (UK) »
If the parents were not married it is registered under the father's and the mother's surnames as it is not known which surname the child will use.

Stan
Ah, now THIS is the one that makes the most sense! I understand the reasoning behind this. :D

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Up until changes made in 1969, birth certificates for England and Wales do not have a place to enter a surname for the child, so he/she is not registered with any surname at all. 
The registration is listed in the birth index with the parents' surname. If the father's and mother's surnames are different, the registration is indexed twice - once with each surname.
Now that there is a place on the birth certificate to enter the child's surname, you will often find that the registration is indexed three times, as explained above by groom.

If you are ordering a copy of a certificate that is indexed twice, you will receive a copy of the same entry, whichever name you ask for.
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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 13 September 14 14:02 BST (UK) »
Just to add that, under the laws of England & Wales, a person can call themselves anything they like!
With the proviso that it is not intended to deceive or defraud.

No Deed Poll necessary! ;D
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Re: Name changed - by deed poll? Can I check?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 September 14 14:10 BST (UK) »
Just to add that, under the laws of England & Wales, a person can call themselves anything they like!
With the proviso that it is not intended to deceive or defraud.

No Deed Poll necessary! ;D

That was already mentioned in reply #1 yesterday.
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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 13 September 14 14:26 BST (UK) »
Ah! I missed that reply?! :-[

Sorry!
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