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James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« on: Tuesday 17 February 09 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Would like to find more with "Freeman" back in England.
After release in WA he married Ellen Burns c1840 and raised family there,
we only have William listed abt 1874 he married Charlotte Bird of York WA and had 11 children.

(Also posted this for England)
Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
and several others.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 22:48 GMT (UK) »
James Freeman's details are on

http://www.convictcentral.com/
He was transported on the Norwood and arrived in WA in June 1862.  Date of trial was 1860.
FREEMAN James   6291  6years  27 years   Trial at Salford in 1860  Larceny

Unfortunately there does not appear to be a marriage on the WA indexes for a James FREEMAN and Ellen BURNS only the following births.

1866 FREEMAN  James with father James and mother Ellen BURNS  Fremantle Reg 9511        
1869 FREEMAN Lilly Elizabeth    with father James and mother Helen BURNS  Fremantle Reg 11859         
1871 FREEMAN William with father   James and mother Ellen BURNS   Fremantle  Reg13557

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http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-WA-CONVICT/2003-11/1068508311
FREEMAN, JAMES:
James Freeman, Convict # 6291, arrived in Western Australia on board the
"Norwood" on 9 June 1862. James was convicted of Larceny at Salford in 1860 and sentenced to transportation for six years. James is described as unmarried and a gunmaker, literate, Protestant at the time of his sentence. He received his Ticket of Leave on 23 February 1863 and his Conditional Pardon on 7 April 1866 at Vasse. James was awarded his Certificate of Freedom on 20 January 1868.
James died on 11 November 1881 at Fremantle.

Death 1881
FREEMAN  James 46 years Parents Unknown 
Reg 11130

Extracted record on familysearch
James FREEMAN     
Baptism 24 Jul 1836  Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire   
Father     Robert FREEMAN  and mother Rebecca   

Submitted record     
James FREEMAN     
24 Jul 1836      Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Marriage  Ellen BURNS    
4 May 1868      Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia

The parents names should be noted on James' marriage certificate. The marriage took place according to the submitted information, two years after the birth of James and Ellen's first child in 1866.

I couldn't see him on the 1851 census.  I will have a more thorough search later.  Someone else may be able to locate him.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Keengeni, we have the marriage cert with James Freeman and Ellen McGrath, this is correct, Ellen was married before, James' father is written in as James Freeman and occupation for both was "gunsmith" Ellens birth name was "Burns" they were married at Congregational chapel Fremantle, James arrived 9 June 1862, convict number 6291, he was allowed ticket of leave on 23 Feb 1863 (8 months after) and conditional pardon 7 April 1866 while at the Vasse (now called Busselton) Complete freedom on 20 Jan 1868.
A gunsmith by profession but did not work that trade while in Australia.
Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
and several others.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 23:30 GMT (UK) »
I detailed the info I found as you have listed various dates of arrival for James - 1860, 1861 and 1862 and on your other requests.

The submitter on familysearch appears to have assumed that this is your James FREEMAN.  I tend to ignore submitted information.  Submitted info at times, seems to be lots of guess work and assumptions.

I see you have had a response to your request in England.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 23:36 GMT (UK) »
Not sure where I got 1861 from, perhaps I looked at his convict number 6291 upside down, but yes, we have it as convicted in 1860 and arrival Fremantle in 1862, on his marriage cert it has "Gunsmith" also has his father as James, also a gunsmith.
Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
and several others.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Just to save another person searching, there is a similar request here.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,361663.0.html

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 00:03 GMT (UK) »
yes, I have one set for Australia and one for England.

Details in IGI;
James Freeman
AFN: 1Z79-9W4
Born 1835- Expiree Salford England
Death 11 Nov 1881 Fremantle WA
Wife Ellen Burns McGrath
Marriage 4 May 1868 Fremantle WA

Ellen was married prior to James hence the name McGrath,
her birth name was BURNS.
Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
and several others.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 00:04 GMT (UK) »
Only posted the links to save duplicate searching which can be time consuming ;D  Only trying to help you and others searching as well.

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Re: James Freeman b1835 Eng, transported 1860 on Norwood.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 00:11 GMT (UK) »
I understand Keengeni, but some people do as I use to, stay in one seat and wonder why no answers.
Just modified last with detail from IGI familysearch.
Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
and several others.