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The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« on: Tuesday 07 January 14 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Can anyone help me sort out Simon's life. please?
He was born in Sheffield around 1800,(baptism not found), but by 1841 was in Radford as a chimney sweep, married (apparently) to Rebecca and with 4 children- James, William, Mary and Sarah, ages from 10 to 6.Rebecca it transpires from later censuses was born around 1813 and so couldn't have been the mother of James, at least, who was born abt 1830. Now freereg gives the baptisms of Mary McGregor Hancock and Sarah McGregor Hancock to Simon and Maria at St Peter's, Radford - 1835 and 1837- Simon is a sweep. I assume that his first wife was a Maria McGregor and that Rebecca was a later spouse. There is a marriage of a Simon Hancock to Rebecca Cutts in 1854 in Nottingham,(freebmd) - so when did Maria die?? Before 1841 or before 1854?
Can anyone help with any of the 2 marriages or the deaths of Simon (1862?) and Maria?
William calls himself William McGregor or William McGregor Hancock in all censuses from 1861 onwards. I have found Simon as a sweep in directories as were nearly all his sons and grandsons in either Nottingham or Radford, so if your relatives had their chimneys swept maybe the Hancock boys were responsible.
Thanking you in advance
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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 22:09 GMT (UK) »
I notice you mention freereg, it is due to update again this week don't know which day but updates once a month as do a lot of these sites it may be worth having another look. If you look on the counties and parish page and then the area you're interested in, you can tell whats being worked on or has been done. The coverage also gets updated.

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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 23:41 GMT (UK) »
I'll trade you for my infuriating grx2 grandparents not far away from yours. They married 25 years after their first child was born, 7 years after their last - and I can't find a previous marriage for either. She has a rare surname and he has a rare given name, and this all transpired well post-1837, and they were in their very early 20s when the first child was born and together in the 1851 census three years later -- so if a pre-existing marriage was there, I would have found it. Both claimed to be never married when they married at the age of 45. Just conscientious objectors, or lazy, I figure.

Your Rebecca was born 1812-13ish per censuses. By 1841, she could have been the one with the previous marriage still operating as a bar up to 1854, even though she was a decade younger. And especially given the baptisms with mother Maria in the late 1830s.

Keep in mind too that she may have aged slowly. In 1841 she was aged 30, which would ordinarily mean born 1807-1811. And between 1851 and 1861, they both lost a year. So she could have been the mother of James. Even if she was born c1813!

In 1861, Simon and Rebecca had kids born in the last decade.
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I'd get that certificate to be sure of Rebecca's birth surname.

Yeah, I did in my case, and her birth surname on the child's birth certificate was the one she married under 7 years later. ;)

You might get the same results -- Rebecca was a spinster at the marriage and the surname on the birth certificate is Cutts -- but at least you have some evidence that Simon was previously hitched! What his marriage certificate says about it would be worth knowing.

One thing might be, in both our cases, that the parties had represented themselves as married for so long that it took some precipitating event for them to admit they weren't and do the deed. Could have been death of a previous spouse, or the prospect of death for one of themselves, or that sort of thing.
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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 00:41 GMT (UK) »
The FreeREG baptism for Maria McG Hancock is dated 15 Oct 1837 so her birth may have squeaked into the civil registration period (1 July 1837 onwards).

As Mary A Hancock she is 13 b Southwell in 1851, so could be the Maria Hancock b Sep qtr 1837 Southwell. There is also a birth reg for a Maria Hancock b Dec qtr 1837 Radford (NB Radford was the family's abode by the time of the baptism).

Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 00:57 GMT (UK) »
Isaac/Isaiah Hancock is interesting. He appears as a son of Simon & Rebecca from 1851, born Radford 1841-2. No sign of a birth registration as Hancock.

Possible coincidence or red herring, but FreeREG has a baptism of Isaiah CUTS at St Peter Radford, son of Alice, on 12 Sep 1841. Perhaps related to Rebecca and informally adopted by her & Simon?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 01:16 GMT (UK) »
Also possibly relevant is the baptism of a Joseph Cutts in Radford in 1830, son of Rebecca Cutts. This one is on www.Familysearch.org.

1841 shows a matching child in Radford with (grandparents?) William & Elizth Cutts, both 55.

1851 shows him again with them and confirms he is their grandson. His birthplace Kimberly, Notts.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 08:08 GMT (UK) »
There is this burial

Maria McGregor Hancock 15.10.1837 aged 33 buried at Radford St Peters

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Derby- Bamford,Slater,Marriott,Lee,Fox,Hopkinson,Hawksley, Furniss, Froggatt, Stodd.
Notts - Breeding, Lacey Marriott ,Kershaw,Chambers,Geeson,Mitchell,Watts,Potts,Slack,Robinson, Cooper
Yorkshire - Potts, Bell, Derbyshire, Kershaw
Worcestershire - Dyson, Summers, Dearn, Jones
Warwickshire - Russon
Leicestershire - Stodd, Sarson, Berridge, Watts, Bradshaw.
Middlesex / Surrey - Markham, Pearce, Kalaher, Barrett

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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 08:37 GMT (UK) »
There are 3 marriages on the Notts FHS for a Simon Hancock

26.4.1819 to Ann Towle at St Mary
20.2. 1854 to Rebecca Cutts at Radford
3.10.1864 to Sarah Day at Radford

There are also children baptised to a Simon & Esther (Sweep) in Nottingham.  In the 1881 census Simon gives his birth date as 1848 and at Radford

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Derby- Bamford,Slater,Marriott,Lee,Fox,Hopkinson,Hawksley, Furniss, Froggatt, Stodd.
Notts - Breeding, Lacey Marriott ,Kershaw,Chambers,Geeson,Mitchell,Watts,Potts,Slack,Robinson, Cooper
Yorkshire - Potts, Bell, Derbyshire, Kershaw
Worcestershire - Dyson, Summers, Dearn, Jones
Warwickshire - Russon
Leicestershire - Stodd, Sarson, Berridge, Watts, Bradshaw.
Middlesex / Surrey - Markham, Pearce, Kalaher, Barrett

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Re: The complicated life of SIMON HANCOCK
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 10:29 GMT (UK) »
There is this burial

Maria McGregor Hancock 15.10.1837 aged 33 buried at Radford St Peters

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Buried the same day her daughter Maria was baptised  :(

Maria's death appears to have been registered in the surname McGregor (Dec qtr 1837 Radford) so perhaps they were not married.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)