Author Topic: Genetic Testing Question  (Read 14056 times)

Offline bamc37

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 27
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #27 on: Monday 10 November 14 03:07 GMT (UK) »
Hello Bryan
Thanks for the info ref Sugar Refinery
1861 Census for Charles Plymouth
RG9 1436 page (looks like 22,24 or 28) not sure
Seymoor St No 142
James Brady (looks like Brog) aged 42 Mason at Sugar Refinery  Devon  Fremington
Elizabeth  ditto                      aged 41                                       Cornwall Morwenstow
On the same page there are two other workers at the sugar refinery
The writing is terrible
Brian
CALDER Lancashire, Kensington and Scotland. COX Hammersmith, Tottenham and Bow. TOMS Plymouth, Modbury, Ermington. BRADY Fremington, Ireland. TYLER Luton, Uxbridge, MARRIOTT Bow, JONES Liverpool. JASPER Brighton, MOYSEY South Hams, KINGWELL Ugborough, HARRIS Gloucester; WARD Suffolk;

Offline bamc37

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 27
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #28 on: Monday 10 November 14 04:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clare, Judith
I have rechecked my original notes.
Yes it was Edward aged about 50 (in 1938) but  his son is aged about late twenties and his name was Teddy (I transcribed this as Eddie, sorry) He is certainly not the husband of either Bessie nor Ursula. Could it be Francis under a "family name" to avoid confusion with his father?
O have joined the local Seniornet to learn how to upload photos.
Brian
CALDER Lancashire, Kensington and Scotland. COX Hammersmith, Tottenham and Bow. TOMS Plymouth, Modbury, Ermington. BRADY Fremington, Ireland. TYLER Luton, Uxbridge, MARRIOTT Bow, JONES Liverpool. JASPER Brighton, MOYSEY South Hams, KINGWELL Ugborough, HARRIS Gloucester; WARD Suffolk;

Offline judb

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,987
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #29 on: Monday 10 November 14 05:35 GMT (UK) »
Removed - double up info, post repeated below - can I come to the Seniornet classes as well?  ::) 8) :P
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
"Time present and time past are both perhaps present in time future..." T S Eliot

UK Census information Crown Copyrightt, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline judb

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,987
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #30 on: Monday 10 November 14 05:36 GMT (UK) »

Francis J had two children - Edwin Francis Llewelyn Toms (known as Ted in later years but I suppose he might have been Eddie when younger?) in 1914 and Bessie Priscilla Toms in 1919.
Claire

Aha - according to this info from Claire (Reply #25) the younger man may well be Francis J's child.   :D

Judith
[/quote]
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
"Time present and time past are both perhaps present in time future..." T S Eliot

UK Census information Crown Copyrightt, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Offline clyoung

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #31 on: Monday 10 November 14 08:11 GMT (UK) »
I was under the impression Bessie, James' sister, died in childhood. How old is the Bessie in the picture? Bessie Priscilla, James' daughter, would have been 19.

Offline bamc37

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 27
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #32 on: Monday 10 November 14 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Bessie Priscilla, daughter of FEPToms and UJCTpms,  was born in 1883 and married in 1906, The picture was taken in 1938 so Bessie would be 55yrs.
CALDER Lancashire, Kensington and Scotland. COX Hammersmith, Tottenham and Bow. TOMS Plymouth, Modbury, Ermington. BRADY Fremington, Ireland. TYLER Luton, Uxbridge, MARRIOTT Bow, JONES Liverpool. JASPER Brighton, MOYSEY South Hams, KINGWELL Ugborough, HARRIS Gloucester; WARD Suffolk;

Offline clyoung

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 9
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #33 on: Monday 10 November 14 09:52 GMT (UK) »
Bessie Priscilla, daughter of FEPToms and UJCTpms,  was born in 1883 and married in 1906, The picture was taken in 1938 so Bessie would be 55yrs.

That's very curious. I was told that FJToms named his daughter Bessie Priscilla after a sister he lost in childhood, hence the break from the family name Ursula. Wonder how that story started?

Offline bamc37

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 27
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #34 on: Monday 10 November 14 10:01 GMT (UK) »
I have her marriage cert.
Bessie Priscilla Toms married Thomas Arthur Bingham 15th Sept 1906
at Newport Wales. Fathers name Francis Edwin Pederick Toms
I remember in about 1946 going to Wales to visit my grandmothers sisters It must have been them. I remember we had to get water from the well.
CALDER Lancashire, Kensington and Scotland. COX Hammersmith, Tottenham and Bow. TOMS Plymouth, Modbury, Ermington. BRADY Fremington, Ireland. TYLER Luton, Uxbridge, MARRIOTT Bow, JONES Liverpool. JASPER Brighton, MOYSEY South Hams, KINGWELL Ugborough, HARRIS Gloucester; WARD Suffolk;

Offline sugarbakers

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,338
  • 12 Church St, MENT - the family sugarhouse, 1805
    • View Profile
Re: Genetic Testing Question
« Reply #35 on: Monday 10 November 14 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Brian.

A***y have transcribed it as Bradg, but reads as Brady at a struggle. Have edited it.
Three more on same page … excellent.
Only one refinery there at that time so easy to place them.

Bryan
Almeroth, Germany (probably Hessen). Mawer, Softley, Johnson, Lancaster, Tatum, Bucknall (E.Yorks, Nfk, Lincs)

Sugar Refiners & Sugarbakers ... www.mawer.clara.net ...
50,000+ database entries, 270+ fatalities, 210+ fires, history, maps, directory, sales, blog, book, 500+ wills, etc.

WDYTYA magazine July 2017